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Hello all,

I am delighted to announce that Pat Grandfield from the Kerry Astronomy Club was awarded an observatory code (Z56) over the summer from the minor planet centre. Pat is based near Killorglin, Co. Kerry and has been an excellent club member for ten years. He does not do forums or facebook or any of those modern kind of things but his email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. .

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Paddy.
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This is fantastic news, well done indeed Pat, a great and proud achievement for any amateur astronomer. Keep up the good work! If I am not mistaken I think this is Irelands 14th officially recognised observatory, wow; Ireland's amateur astronomers are going from strength to strength.

All the very best and clear skies
Mike
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Maybe pat might like to post some photos of his observatory and how he went about building it.
Congratulations on this success.
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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Observatory code awarded from minor planet centre

That is great news, well done to Pat! I also echo scfahy's thoughts, it would be nice to see it.

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Excellent news! Well done Pat - a clear testament to your hard work and attention to detail. I notice that the observatory name is listed as "Knocknaboola".

The last list I put together for IAU Observatories in Ireland is as follows:

Up to 2006 – Armagh, Dunsink (Dublin) and Markree (Sligo)
March 2006 – J65 (Celbridge, Kildare): Dave McDonald
May 2006 – J62 (Kingsland, Roscommon): Eamonn Ansbro
June 2006 – J61 (Brownstown, Meath): Kevin ???
September 2007 – J41 (Raheny, Dublin): Dave Grennan
January 2009 – J16 (An Carraig, Down):
May 2009 – J09 (Balbriggan, Dublin): Carl O'Beirnes
October 2010 – I90 (Blackrock Castle, Cork): ????
October 2010 – I87 (Astroshot, Kildare): Michael O'Connell
February 2011 – I83 (Cherryvalley, Meath): Mike Foylan

So, added to that is:

<insert month> 2016 - Z56 (Knocknaboola, Kerry): Pat Grandfield

I know at least one observatory being added after Feb 2011:
Z72: Cademuir Observatory, Dalkey

Anyone have any details? And if anyone can fill in the question marks in the main list, I'd be appreciative.

Once again, many congratulations Pat.

Dave
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Thank you all. I will pass on your congratulations to Pat and will post on his behalf shortly.
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June 2006 – J61 (Brownstown, Meath): Kevin ???


That's Kevin Sweeney, some fine images on there -

www.sweeneysite.com/

I suppose Markree shouldn't really be listed anymore, being in the same category as eg Daramona and Sherrington.

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Thanks for that Finbarr - I just couldn't remember his surname - Apologies Kevin. As regards Markree, it retains an observatory code and once an observatory code is given, the geographical location and observatory name remains in the IAU list permanently. Daromona (which I've heard of) has no listing and neither does Sherrington - which I've never heard of. If you have any info about either, I think they should be added to the list.

I also note that I omitted Kieran Rooney's name from An Carraig - the first amateur observatory in Northern Ireland. And I also omitted Albert White's Observatory (sorry Al) which took the amateur observatory tally in Ireland into double figures.

The updated (but possibly not comprehensive) list is as follows:

IAU Observatories
Up to 2006
981 Armagh
982 Dunsink (Dublin)
977 Markree (Sligo)
March 2006 – J65 (Celbridge, Kildare): Dave McDonald
May 2006 – J62 (Kingsland, Roscommon): Eamonn Ansbro
June 2006 – J61 (Brownstown, Meath): Kevin Sweeney
September 2007 – J41 (Raheny, Dublin): Dave Grennan
January 2009 – J16 (An Carraig, Down): Kieran Rooney
May 2009 – J09 (Balbriggan, Dublin): Carl O'Beirnes
October 2010 – I90 (Blackrock Castle, Cork): <insert Director's name>
October 2010 – I87 (Astroshot, Kildare): Michael O'Connell
February 2011 – I83 (Cherryvalley, Meath): Mike Foylan
September 2013 - Z72: Cademuir Observatory, Dalkey: Albert White
May 2015 - Z56 (Knocknaboola, Killorglin, Kerry): Pat Grandfield

Other Observatories
Birr (Offaly)
Sherrington (Bray)
Daramona (Co. Westmeath)
Crawford (UCC)
Imbusch (NUIG)
Monck (TCD)
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Dave, I got the information from this Orbit article -

www.irishastrosoc.org/orbit/articles/irish.htm#3

Daramona was in Westmeath and Sherrington in Bray. Of course Birr Castle doesn't have a code either so I'd be curious to know when Markree was added.

Finbarr.
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Excellent article - there is a lot there I didn't know. I mentioned Cork - a good few years ago when I gave a talk there, one of the Cork folks showed me an observatory in the University grounds (if I recall). I wonder what that was called?

I do recall reading that at a point in time, all the known "professional" observatories (presumably active as well) were given codes by the IAU (or whatever they were a called back then) without any need to follow a procedure. I don't know at what point in time the procedure came into being. So, perhaps Markree was late enough (i.e. post dating Birr) and active enough that it was just given a code. The others without codes were presumably too early (pre-dating any kind of organised astronomical union) or were not active enough - at least in terms of formally providing data.

The IAU lists themselves don't give any "inauguration" date though the data for those that followed the latter procedure would be in the MPC somewhere - that of itself would show the initial data submission including the Julian date. Then there would be an ACK (acknowledgement), itself dated that would give the precise date.

I doubt they have the recorded the dates when the likes of Dunsink, Markree, Armagh, Greenwich etc. were given codes - though the MPC can be very surprising. I bet its in a book somewhere but unlikely to come up in a Google search.

Sound like a great research project for someone to update the Orbit article is in the offing...

Very interesting and thanks again for the link.

Dave
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Congratulations Pat and many thanks for sharing that wonderful news Paddy.

Cheers Dave for keeping a tally of who has an observatory code. The spot in Cork is Crawford Observatory which is in the grounds of University College Cork and has a Grubb telescope.

I was visiting the site of Daramona in Co. Westmeath on February 1st, 2003 when I got a call about the Columbia space shuttle being lost on re-entry. I've seen copies of the original plates taken by Wilson and they are incredible photos for their time.

atb and say hi to Fiona for me,

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Hi John - thanks for the name for Cork - I recall it now. What plates did Wilson take? Sound interesting.

Here's another for you (or anyone else) - I recall the name of "Imbusch" - I think that may have been the observatory name for the NUIG observatory...

Fiona sends you a big hug!

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Hi Dave,

Yes, Imbusch is the observatory run by NUI Galway. Mike Redfern was instrumental in getting that setup and attendees at the Galway Star Party in the Spring often get the opportunity visit the site.

I just remembered another spot ... Monck Observatory is the one established by Trinity College on the roof of one of the buildings in the grounds of TCD. Details at www.tcd.ie/Physics/Astrophysics/observatory.php

There's a copy of the photos from the Wilson plates at Dunsink Observatory and I know John McConnell in the North plus John Nooney in Mullingar have copies too. The majority of the pictures are of deep-sky objects with images of 30 minutes or so in length showing almost no trailing. A couple are slightly out of focus or afflicted by slightly bloated stars, probably due to seeing. The pictures I can recall include the Orion Nebula, M31, M13, and the Double Cluster. A fine photo of the Orion Nebula can be seen at www.catchersofthelight.com/catchers/post...strophotography.aspx (the book is a very comprehensive history of early astrophotography).

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I doubt they have the recorded the dates when the likes of Dunsink, Markree, Armagh, Greenwich etc. were given codes - though the MPC can be very surprising. I bet its in a book somewhere but unlikely to come up in a Google search.


On this MPC info page we're told: "The bulk of positions for observatories operating in the 19th and early 20th centuries have been taken from the annual lists of observatory coordinates given in the Astronomical Ephemeris/ Nautical Almanac." So it seems Markree was the only one of the 19th C Irish observatories to find its way into this catalogue.

By the way Dave, over the last week I've been observing Metis, Ireland's only asteroid... until your triumph of 2008. Since I wasn't on here back then, I'd like to offer my very belated congratulations!

Finbarr.
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Apologies for the delay in sharing these images of Pats observatory. I was travelling the past few weeks.
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