Clubs not (yet) affiliated to the IFAS

16 years 3 months ago #305 by stepryan
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i was thinking (dangerous!!) regardless of whether or not the AI group join should we not say have some sort of IFAS stand at say WSP to explain what it is about with the website displayed prominently on it as the start of a promotion campaign ?. what do people think?.
Stephen.

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16 years 3 months ago #306 by albertw
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i was thinking (dangerous!!) regardless of whether or not the AI group join should we not say have some sort of IFAS stand at say WSP to explain what it is about with the website displayed prominently on it as the start of a promotion campaign ?. what do people think?.


I would have thought this would be preaching to the converted. but it would be a good idea none the less, handouts about the website etc. could be useful for those who dont know about it.

Anyone know anyone that could make a flag/banner with the URL on it, or t-shits cheaply?

On the same train of thought, we could set up an informational stand at say the young scientist exhibition next year. Thats far enough away that we could even plan it!

Cheers,
~Al

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16 years 3 months ago #308 by sdbell
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Just to calm things down before they get out of hand (as they tend to do when AI is mentioned...)

If you believe that AI should be invited to join IFAS, you should suggest to your IFAS representative that he or she bring it up at the next IFAS meeting (Whirlpool, Birr, September 26th - 28th) where it can be put to the vote.

If the proposal is successful, IFAS will extend the invitation.

David Bell
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16 years 3 months ago #311 by dave_lillis
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Hi All,
I wasn't dumping on A&S magazine, just that its safer to get your info from multiple sources, thats all.
I personally wish that this schism didn't exist between AI and the rest of the Irish astronomical community, but we need to get real about this before we can start patting ourselves on the back for re-uniting Irish astronomy.
One question keeps popping up in my mind,
"What does AI have to gain by this ?????????????????".

All of its members would suddenly be aware of all the local clubs around the country, and hence they might loose members to these clubs (given that most of AIs activity is in Dublin).
Do you think AI would gain by actively promoting the WSP or Cosmos etc.?

I'm not trying to be a downer or complete pessimist here, but we might go to all this trouble to be told by them that its not in their interest in joining. I'm not putting words in their mouths here, I'm been realistic

(you never know, they might prove me wrong yet).

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but what a way to go. :)
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16 years 3 months ago #312 by stepryan
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dave,
i agree with you. while it would be nice for them to join and we should ask them, i don't think it will happen for the reasons you stated and one i stated earlier, he would prefer we did not exist. AI are a bit like AOL and compuserve were a few years ago when the internet started to get popular. they tended to ignore it and keep their customers locked into their own system. eventually they had to adapt and accept the internet as a given. AI's brand of astronomy is one in which they say they are the biggest club in the country. by saying this they are at least indirectly saying they are not the only one. it is just they are ignoring the rest. he would probably some members outside dublin to other clubs. if they do join well and good. if the answer is no well then we should just continue on our merry way and just promote ifas and the website. maybe then his members will become aware of everyone else and want the club to join. if he still doesn't join well they can always vote with their feet and join their local club, they would probably better off long term as at least they will be with more active local people they might be encouraged to stay in the hobby.
Stephen.

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16 years 3 months ago #315 by dave_lillis
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Hi Stephen,
As far as I can make out, the majority of our new club members in the las year or so are ex/present members of AI who discovered the club here either by accident or on the web/local newspaper. They all mentioned that they didnt like the idea of travelling to Dublin for events. If AI join, it will definitely cost them.

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Carrying around my 20" obsession is going to kill me,
but what a way to go. :)
+ 12"LX200, MK67, Meade2045, 4"refractor

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16 years 3 months ago #319 by stepryan
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david,
that is interesting, it shows that for some people in AI if they were offered the oppertunity to join a local club rather than AI which is based in dublin they would jump at it. it helps prove my point that a little more advertising would go a long way. we don't have to go mad.
stephen.

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16 years 3 months ago #337 by michaeloconnell
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:lol: IFAS could look for new members by putting a full page ad in A&S magazine :lol:

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16 years 3 months ago #338 by albertw
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:lol: IFAS could look for new members by putting a full page ad in A&S magazine :lol:


I actually though about that, but I'd imagine the cost might be prohibitive, but its on the list of silly things to do if I win the lotto :)

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16 years 1 month ago #712 by albertw
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Hi,

Some time ago I mentioned that I had mailed Astronomy Ireland / Astronomy and Space limited asking them as a member, if they would consider joining the IFAS and if they could mention this site on their society pages.

The initial reply to my mail of July 27th was basically "we'll get back to you about this, mail us agin mid august if we don't", and since then I have sent a couple of reminders to them, but with no response.

Yesterday I recieved the lastest issue of A&S in the post, and unsurprisingly there was no mention of this website in the society news section.

pity, but if thats how they want to be...

Cheers,
~Al

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16 years 1 month ago #713 by voyager
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Hi,

Some time ago I mentioned that I had mailed Astronomy Ireland / Astronomy and Space limited asking them as a member, if they would consider joining the IFAS and if they could mention this site on their society pages.

The initial reply to my mail of July 27th was basically "we'll get back to you about this, mail us agin mid august if we don't", and since then I have sent a couple of reminders to them, but with no response.

Yesterday I recieved the lastest issue of A&S in the post, and unsurprisingly there was no mention of this website in the society news section.

pity, but if thats how they want to be...

Cheers,
~Al


As I was reading that I kept on hoping for good news but sadly no :cry:

Might be an idea to go over "the Esteemed Chairman"'s head and just send something about this site straight to the editor. What do you think?

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16 years 1 month ago #714 by finnjim2001
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Guys just a quick question befor i duck behind the ramparts again. Why is david moore the public face of astronomy in this country. All other countries can lay their hands on scores of people (Look at the BBC coverage of the Solar eclipse) why not have someone from IFAS as an alternitive for the media. Then while Mr. Moore is on the DEN dealing with Dustin and Sockey :lol: . IFAS can be on TV3 news.

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Somedays you're the lamp post.

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16 years 1 month ago #715 by albertw
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Might be an idea to go over "the Esteemed Chairman"'s head and just send something about this site straight to the editor. What do you think?


He is the editor as well :-)

Cheers,
~Al

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