Hi All,

I got this from a friend of a friend,

"By the way, he sued NASA and won -- the judge found that NASA "had shown errors, deception, and dishonesty" and they had to release MER Operating Manuals and image processing guides to Charles."



xenotechresearch.com/bookpromo.htm

Interesting Stuff!!

Graham.

btw does this forum mind NASA / Space speculation/conspericies?

I just dont want to be rude if NASA are watching but would like to hear their side!

After watching that YouTube clip, I would be very skeptical of it (and the book he is plugging). NASA have been working very hard for years to find life anywhere in the Universe. Remmber ALH84001? It would be a major boost to their scientific research and the future of the organisation if they did find life on Mars. If they found fossils on Mars, why would they not announce it? If they were trying to hide evidence of fossils, why would they release images showing these supposed "fossils"?
Sounds like just another conspiracy theory....

I am slightly skeptical too of it but the fact that Nasa 'bent over' when accused of deception and dishonesty and released the images is a bit strange, I know Nasa are not full of cash at the moment and if someone accused them of dishonesty and deception then I would think that they could have easily counter sued for Liable or Slander if he didnt have evidence to back up his accusation.


(ALH84001 nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html)

Pity they didnt find something.... more!

I would take this with a pinch of Martian sea salt. I agree that the signature of life can look suspiciously similar to "natural" chemical processes....but Trilobites......????? look-alikes....The theory of Pan-Spermia, supposes that life might be seeded throughout the universe - but i don't believe it suggests that a ready formed, complex life form would appear in two places at once.

Signed
Declan

Very disturbed

Co laois

Graham wrote:

I am slightly skeptical too of it but the fact that Nasa 'bent over' when accused of deception and dishonesty and released the images is a bit strange, I know Nasa are not full of cash at the moment and if someone accused them of dishonesty and deception then I would think that they could have easily counter sued for Liable or Slander if he didnt have evidence to back up his accusation.


(ALH84001 nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html)

Pity they didnt find something.... more!

I can't comment on any case against NASA based on very little info. I very much doubt it is as one-sided as you are portraying though. Have you got more details on the case, preferably from the court itself or some independent body?

Its like this, you either trust Nasa or you dont.
This isnt an episode of the x-files, what would be gained by hidding a discovery like this??
oh the poor earthlings!, "they could never handle the fact there there might be life elsewhere", yea right. !!
What disaster would be avoided by hiding that there is fossilised life/remnants on Mars ???
For crying out loud, Nasa are trying to justify technically very difficult mission to the Jovians moons in the hope that there is life in sub surface oceans, thats how despirate they are to find life!
I for one believe Nasa, if they found fossilised life we'd all know about it be now, it would be a massive PR coup for them, a massive feather in their cap.!! It would be seriously in their interest to announce it, they could use it to justify more funding, bombarding the planet with martian landers, use it to accelerate the manned missions.

Nope I aint buying the conspiricy theory. Nasa recently tried (or atleast one of their PR gurus tried)implying that they discovered the recent impact on Jupiter, anything to boost their public visibility which would increase funding. Funding follows success.
I always try and approach everything with an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out.

Have a look a this video, is it a hominid skull, a storm trooper helmet, or a rock ?? you decide.

That looks like an Full Otter to me

As for the Vid. Is this guy one of the few Knights of the British Realm with an American accent? Is is real name actually Sir Walter Mitty?

What if I could tell you that the US government were covering up direct evidence of DNA found on Saturn's moon titan by the Huygens probe? What if I could tell you I could prove that I have seen documents which the US government would prefer no-one saw. NASA went so far as putting up a press release on their website before removing it on the orders of the government.

Now of course none of the above is true. It was totally made up by me. However, I could easily pad that whole story out into a book and video and convince a enough people to part with hard earned cash and possibly make quite a tidy sum. All I need is to throw enough loose and unsubstantiated evidence at the reader so that each piece of evidence, on its own, would not convince the reader, but the cumulitive effect would totally convince any reader who did not perform the highly non-trivial task of researching the matter. What would even make it easier for me is that stories like these are very difficult to disprove. It's like trying to disprove God. Because the story is not based on hard, verifiable facts and evidence the reader must (and will) just accept these 'facts'.

The only fact is some people who do this are nothing more than money grabbing charletans who know as well as anyone that their story is totally fabricated and untrue. The other thing that makes their job easier is that people forget one important fact. Just because something could be true, doesn't mean it is. People by nature are suspicious of authority and will readily beleive that the powers that be are lying to them. Thats human nature and makes the job of the conspiracy theorist all the more easy. Of course you can't debunk these things until you read the original work and in order to do that you need to hand over money to these guys, so again a win win situation for the scam artists. In fairness some of these people may well enen beleive the story themselves.

Best advice? Question everything. Demand to see sources. Don't just take their word for it, because in many cases these people are nothing more than chancers with not a shred of scientific accountibility or credibility for that matter. Even in the video above all the guy does is make totally unfounded statements. So where is the official court record of these so called proceedings that NASA lost? I'll tell you where, THEY DONT EXIST. DOn;t you think if such a case actually happened it would have been huge worldwide news that everyone and his dog had heard about?

Graham, I'm sure you are most welcome to discuss astronomy and space related consipiracies here just don't expect too much support for these stories!


Welcome aboard!!

DaveGrennan wrote:

NASA has found direct evidence of DNA found on Saturn's moon titan by the Huygens probe

OMG Dave

I'm gonna send RTE a press release - can I quote you verbatum as above?

Dave

dmcdona wrote:

I'm gonna send RTE a press release - can I quote you verbatum as above?

Sure, I'll tell 'em you told me

At the risk of been totally lambasted, I'm putting this up, I thought it was one of the funniest things i've seen on youtube, the motor noises are priceless

Funny. Yes, the motors sound like an old LX200 classic:P

exactly

Was That creature Dave in a Monkey suit

dmolloy wrote:

Was That creature Dave in a Monkey suit

that was before he put on the monkey suit....

hey hey!, carefull or the monkey will be coming after you !