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19 years 9 months ago #3710 by albertw
www.wyp2005.at/

From a mail from Darren Baskill CfDS and Martin Taylor.

Das:
"A relay of light beams around the globe in one night, uniting all
countries under the banner of physics.

In the evening of April 18, 2005 (the 50th anniversary of Einstein.s
death) a laser is switched on in Princeton, NJ (Einstein.s last home),
shining its light to the sky in westward direction. Upon this signal,
observers of the beam activate their prepared light sources and carry on
the message in an enormous optical relay....

...uniting all nations by the enlightening power [destruction?] of
physics."


The real killer sentance is:

"Every kind of light source is possible (car headlights, torch light,
bonfire, firework, laser.), as far as it is legal."

MT:
Some instant suggestions:

1. As many people could write to this person ASAP giving a
constructive argument for this not to happen;

2. Ditto, writing to the organisers of the year itself, explaining
why this would be such an own goal;

3. ALL UK Universities refusing to take part in this.

This really does beggar believe and will make us a laughing stock.
Moreover it will considerably undermine the credibility that we have
gained after the recent Parliamentary Select Committee into LP. How
can astronomers ask for less LP after this?


the IDA, CfDS, and now ILPAC are encouraging everyone to politely write to complain about this. Having people who should be on our side and should know better. Please post any reponses you recieve.

Cheers,
~Al

Albert White MSc FRAS
Chairperson, International Dark Sky Association - Irish Section
www.darksky.ie/

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19 years 9 months ago #3712 by voyager
Bloody morons!

Who should we write to and where can we get addresss?

*goes off mumbling about retarded physicists*

My Home Page - www.bartbusschots.ie

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19 years 9 months ago #3716 by michaeloconnell
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Idiots! :evil:

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19 years 9 months ago #3720 by spculleton
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Stupid, stupid, stupid ...

We shouldn't just write and complain, but pointedly turn OFF lights at those times. It's not a big gesture, but we should at least do something, and we should let the organisers know we're doing this and why.

The very people you'd expect to have on side ...

Shane Culleton.

Dozo Yoroshiku Onegai Shimasu

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19 years 9 months ago #3723 by albertw

Reply from World Year of Physics following my email yesterday:
Christine

Dear Colleagues,

thank you very much for your comments concerning light pollution. A can
asure you that we are aware of this topic and have discussed it at length
before proposing the project. But I kindly ask you to think about the
dimensions: We expect one light every few kilometers outside the highly
populated places, and thousands within cities and towns. Our signal has to
be passed on very fast to the next station, the lights will be switched off
after less than a minute. If you live in a medium-sized town, there is a
million of lights on for the whole night. Except for a very few special
places, we are not thinking of shining big lasers or floodlights to the sky.
As is stated on the website, "Every kind of light source is possible (car
headlights, torch light, bonfire, firework, laser ...), as far as it is
legal" . I think you will agree that this will contribute negligibly to
light pollution. Quite on the contrary, it will be a good opportunity to
remind people of the light polution problem and to show them that physicists
deal with it in a highly responsible way, even in cases as exceptional as
this great celebration for the Year of Physics.

I would be very glad if these line could convince you that "Physics
enlightens the world" is not against the principles every responsible
scientist has to obey. And it would be a big gratification for me and my
coworkers if we could have you on board for this event. Please don't
hesitate to send me your further comments.

Best regards
Max Lippitsch


Univ. Prof. Dr. Max E. Lippitsch
Institut für Physik
Karl-Franzens-Universität
Universitätsplatz 5
A-8010 Graz
Austria

Tel +43(316)380 5192
Fax +43(316)380 9816


Any physicist here want to share their definition of `highly responsible` with me since I clearly dont understand the phrase...

Albert White MSc FRAS
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19 years 9 months ago #3727 by albertw

Dear Professors,

Having already seen the standard reply you send out regarding light
pollution concerns for this event I hope that you can address some of
the points I raise rather than sending an automated reply.

You are no doubt aware of the work carried out by the International
Dark Sky association in reducing light pollution and education people
about better lighting throughout the world. In doing this work it is
most valuable to have professional physicists and astronomer on our
side. In Ireland for example when the media needs to get an opinion on
light pollution there are professional astronomers and physicists that
they can talk to, all sharing the same opinions on the subject.
Earlier this year the Irish Institute of Physics and the Astronomical
Sciences Group of Ireland devoted almost an hour at their recent
spring to discussing the topic, with a guest especially flown in from
the UK to speak. Your proposed event risks endangering this
relationship and undermining the work carried out by people like
myself.

Although the extra lights on the night would not contribute much to
the overall effect of light pollution, this is not the point. The
point is that after many years of astronomers, physicists, and
enthusiasts arguing for better and more responsible lighting, this
event will go against these ideas and do exactly the opposite to what
it should be advocating. Any future attempt by dark sky activists to
get better lighting will be undermined since the media, governments
and corporations will point to this event as an example of the
hypocrisy of science in telling people to do one thing by making
exceptions for itself. Similarly respected physicists would no longer
have credibility in speaking against light pollution as they would be
seen to be hypocritical.

Bearing this in mind I sincerely hope that you will reconsider this
event and instead consider a more appropriate event for all involved.
For example, may I suggest that instead of turning on lights, people
be encourage to turn them off and go outside to look at the stars. In
April 2005 I think that the planet Jupiter should be prominently
visible in the night sky, people should instead be encouraged to go
and look at this planet, and enthusiastic budding physicists can
observe Jupiter to calculate the speed of light in the same manner as
Danish astronomer Ole Roemer did in the 1670's. This could be
developed into something similar to the calculation of the
Astronomical Unit by the ESO during the recent Venus Transit
www.vt-2004.org .

If you do proceed with this event I will be unable to support it. As I
have stated above it not to do with just a few lights on one
particular night, rather supporting this event would undermine the
work I do for dark skies by showing a hypocrisy in our attitude.
Recently there was a light show in Dublin to mark the accession of new
states into the EU
( www.irishastronomy.org/ilpac/Images/dublights.jpg ), we
objected to this, so clearly you can see that we could not support
your similar event. Furthermore as the Irish Section of the
International Dark Skies association we would find it necessary to
object to this with the same vigour we do to other light displays, and
so would be compelled to advise astronomy clubs, Universities,
Institutions, and schools not to take part in the event. We all would
like to see a greater interest in Physics, so hopefully you can devise
an event that all interested groups can support and enjoy.

Regards,
Albert White
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Deputy Chairperson,
Irish Light Pollution Awareness Campaign, www.irishastronomy.org/ilpac
Irish Section, International Dark Sky Association, www.darksky.org


Albert White MSc FRAS
Chairperson, International Dark Sky Association - Irish Section
www.darksky.ie/

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