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Meteorite Fall on Wednesday night ???

17 years 7 months ago #512 by johnflannery
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hi everyone,

maybe some of you may have heard more about this.

John Nooney's observatory outside Mullingar hosted an open night on
Wednesday night for the public to come view Mars.

some of us travelled down from Dublin to help on the night and while
there, Val Dunne, one of our group, got a call from his niece in
Ennis who had witnessed a very bright fireball that trailed down to
the near distance and then she saw a very bright flash of light like
an explosion.

Val's niece is an amateur astronomer herself so her report is
genuine. I rang Ennis garda station to determine if any other reports
came in and while doing so Val's niece rang him back to say that
Clare FM was being flooded by calls from members of the public.

about 5 to 10 minutes before we got that report, quite a number of
people in John Nooney's witnessed a very bright meteor trailing
across the sky in a south-westerly direction and it disappeared over
the horizon.

if anyone has any reports or can help verify what was seen then I,
along with the rest of us on the group, would be very interested in
seeing if it was a genuine meteorite fall and how we can go about
recovering it.

feel free to post to the group or mail me directly on skynotes at
eircom dot net

John Flannery

South Dublin Astro. Soc.

John Flannery ( aurorawatcher - at * gmail - dot * com ... remove hyphens/asterisks/spaces for email)
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17 years 7 months ago #513 by michaeloconnell
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Hi John,
I saw a bright fireball which appeared to start from roughly the centre of Hercules. I reckon it was definetly a Persied as the trail appeared to point back to Perseus. It was so bright that at first I thought a car was pulling into the driveway. I reckon that it was at least as bright as a full moon although it's difficult to estimate magnitude with such a sudden event. The "keystone" of Hercules was just visible above the trees from where I had set up my scope in the driveway and the light appeared to start from this region of the sky. I was trying to read a star chart in my little "Stars and Planets" book when all of a sudden the whole sky light up and the book became easily readable from the light. I also remember noticing strong distinct shadows on the driveway from the light shining through the trees. By the time I looked up it was just below the "keystone" and projecting a path back along it's track I reckon it would have passed very close to the centre of it and was definetly travelling in a southwesterly direction. Anyway, I dropped my book and ran like mad to try and get to the other side of the trees to see if the trail persisted. Unfortunately, by the time I got there and with the interference of a street light I didn't see any persisting trail. After a few seconds from when the meteor disappeared I heard a very faint rumble that lasted about 1-2 seconds. Sounded like a very distant plane but the sound lasted too short for it to be caused by such I reckon. Unfortunately, I did not witness any explosion but this could be due to the interference of the trees. My approx co-ords are 52.638N 7.606W. Could the sound have been caused from an explosion on from it breaking the sound barrier??
Michael
BTW, although I didn't have a watch on me at the time (guess who's kicking themselves now :x ) I reckon it was approx 11.15pm.
With direction of meteor, location of observer, position of object in the sky and time from one other source it should be possible to develop a 3D trajectory for it, yea?

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17 years 7 months ago #514 by johnflannery
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this is great stuff Michael. Your report is definitely of use to me ... I'm kicking myself too for being indoors talking to someone when everyone else saw the object!!!

Mandy, Val's niece, contacted Clare FM this morning but it was too late in the morning show to get her to go on air. She may be on tomorrow's programme though.

I'm sending her down a simple report form with a list of info we need to identify the object, the trajectoy, and a possible impact area. Clare FM will read it on air and get reports back to us.

any help anyone on the newsgroup can offer will be much appreciated as this is a new "venture" for us as meteorite hunters!

the time correlation in your report is pretty good. I checked my mobile and I rang Ennis Garda station at 23:39 BST. Mandy saw the object about 15 minutes prior to that so there is pretty close agreement when the exact time is not noted.

I would certainly agree with you that the brief sounds you heard were the sonic boom as the object passed over.

it's looking very likely from reports so far that a fall has occurred and once we get as many reports as possible in we should definitely head down that direction and instigate some sort of search.

thanks again for the reply Michael and I'll keep everyone up to date on the saga ...

John

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17 years 7 months ago #518 by Seanie_Morris
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john, et all, what ARE the real chances of finding such an object? Unless someone outdoors actually saw or heard the object closer to its probable impact site, we're talking looking for a couple of black golf balls over hundreds of acres right?

Now, I am talking in ignorance here, as I don't know the exact math (maybe someone enlighten me??) in tracing such an object, but I would be up for such a quest, knowing that something may not be found exceeding the possibility of it turning up! The publicity would be great, and it could be made out as a fun event with maps given out, areas designated to people to search etc etc...

Personally, I'm up for it!

Seanie.

Midlands Astronomy Club.
Radio Presenter (Midlands 103), Space Enthusiast, Astronomy Outreach Co-ordinator.
Former IFAS Chairperson and Secretary.

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17 years 7 months ago #519 by albertw
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It would still produce a crater a few meters across so it could be found. Without lots more data it would be hard to narrow it down to any particular area. security cameras could be of help. At the moments were looking for a less than 10m diameter crater somewhere in the south west or the atlantic! Unfortunately thats one of the more sparsley populated areas of the country.

If was narrowed down a bit I'd take a weekend hiking to go look!

The first thing to do would surely be to get someone who actually say the thing, make them stand where they saw it and note down the exact direction and path.

Cheers,
~Al

p.s. I've posted your original mail on a couple of boards.
p.p.s. :

Original Message
Subject: [Astronomy Ireland]Mars, FIREBALL!
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:06:47 +0100
From: Astronomy Ireland <info@astronomy.ie>
To: Astronomy Ireland List <astronomy@lists.redbrick.dcu.ie>

<snip>

2. FIREBALL

We are being inundated with calls about the brilliant fireball (very
bright meteor or "shooting star) seen around 11:30pm from all over
Ireland, especially the southwest. We saw it in Dublin from the Phoenix
Park and so did loads of other people around the country. I've already
done several radio interviews about it this morning.

If you saw it please go to our website below and fill in the report form
(click on "report a fireball" in the left had menu sidebar) NOW while
your memory is fresh and tell absolutely everyone else who you know saw
it to do the same, TODAY preferably!

Next week we will analyse all the reports and publish a notice on the
Fireball Report Form page about if any meteorite may have fallen as a
result, and where.

<snip snip snip snip snip>

Albert White MSc FRAS
Chairperson, International Dark Sky Association - Irish Section
www.darksky.ie/

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17 years 7 months ago #521 by spculleton
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Yeah I saw it too. I was looking through my scope towards Scutum when something bright made me look up. I was atop the Slieve Bloom mountains when I saw this bright green streak flash across the sky. This thing even cast shadows! I saw it break up and the parts burn up as they trailed off. There was some kind of noise, but the whole thing was over so fast that I didn't pay much heed. I was just too overwhelmed by the brightness. It flew from under the keystone into Bootes, looked really low in the sky and disappeared to the west of Tullamore. I'd rule out looking anywhere to the east or south of Tullamore.
Co-ordinates at the site were 53 degrees 05 minutes North 7 degrees 34 minutes West. The time was approximately 22.25 UT (23.25 BST). Meteor was brighter that the full moon, left a 25 degree long streak and showed itself to be disintegrating into fragments which burned with an orange colour. Meteor itself was definitely green, had a 'head' making it look like a firework.
What a sight!

Shane Culleton.

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17 years 7 months ago #525 by GoneShootin
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Thank god im not alone !

I thought I was seeing things, I went out to take a look at the skies - extremely cloudy. Then I spotted this bright blue "thing" streaking through the sky, pretty low it was too. I have seen shooting stars before, but this was amazing.

Scared the hell out of me. The clouds didnt help, making it looks like it was "flashing" blue. Such a terrific blue color, I was gobsmacked.

Im no astronomer so my coordinates are Mitchelstown, North Cork :) Time was roughly 11:30, give or take 5-10 mins.

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17 years 7 months ago #526 by galwayskywatchers
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Hi Ronan from the Galway Astronomy Club, ok what can i say, what an amazing fireball and for once i actually seen one although this was a once in a lifetime event, never mind Mars this was unreal, my self and two others from the club were set up at Silver Strand Beach,Barna with several members of the public who just came by for a look at Mars, from here we have a clear view out to sea and over to the Burren Hills,Co.Clare.
I just happened to be Facing South when what i thought was an iridium flare suddenly intensified, it was brilliant white and the whole southern sky turned a bright green-blue, beautiful trail of orange debris, id say alot brighter than a full Moon , at least mag. -15 to -18 maybe more, it started just to the North East of Altair and continued in a 4 oclock position into Saggitarius and faded from viewe , the time was exactly 2323 my watch. lasted about 3-4 seconds, no sonic boom, i presume its in the Sea as it was heading out Towards Blackhead direction , was was really beautiful was the colour and the reflection of it on the sea.

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17 years 7 months ago #536 by dave_lillis
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Well it didnt land in my back garden, although you could miss it from all the debris left over from my recient wall building.
I was out that night trying to look for Mars but I was semi-clouded out, I took a break for tea between 11.10 and 11.45, so i missed it.

I've seen some great fireballs over the last 10-15 years (best for me was ~mag-7 through the plough on august 18, 1991) but nothing approaches what has been described here.

I was in my sitting room without curtains blocking the patio doors, but I didnt notice any flashes outside....
Didnt see Mars, nor this fireball, Major Bummer... :x :x :x

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17 years 7 months ago #543 by GoneShootin
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Just an update on what I experienced

I pulled out the compass when I got home tonight to try and check the direction it was travelling. I make out it was headed in a North West direction. Hope that helps some bit.

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17 years 7 months ago #544 by johnflannery
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hi everyone,

many thanks for all the reports being posted to this and the other IFAS forum.


"goneshootin" wrote that the fireball was seen travelling in a northwest direction. This is one of the most critical observations to date. I don't know your name from the user "handle" but that's a fantastic piece of data as it allows us narrow down the corridor where the object was seen and enable a better estimation of whether something hit the ground. I'd appreciate if the form mentioned below could be completed and returned to me as soon as possible. Many thanks again.


I was on Clare FM radio last night with David Moore talking to a presenter about the fireball and other aspects of meteorites. Both David and I are collating reports and we are fairly confident that some sort of stone was dropped somewhere in west Clare or, alas, into the sea or Shannon Estuary.

we have asked people to log any reports and send them to us while someone else on the ground is going to investigate for me down around the Kilkee area.

if it's no trouble, could I ask anyone who has posted reports to the group to date to fill out a report form and post it to me? The following website has a template that can be printed (5 pages) or saved as a html file.

www.amsmeteors.org/fireball/report.html

my address is;

5 Greenmount Lawns,
Terenure,
Dublin 6

the form can also be e-mailed to;

john dot flannery at jefferson dot ie (substitute "dot" with ".", etc.)

[albertw: removed johns phone numbers, please message him for details]

many thanks for all your help on this and I will keep everyone up to date on success or not in any search for the object.

John

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17 years 7 months ago #545 by GoneShootin
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Glad to hear I was of some use :) I come across this forum from www.boards.ie when I was trying to find out what it was I had seen in the first place.

Ill never forget it....



Mick

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17 years 7 months ago #547 by albertw
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Hi,

Would it be possible for someone to copy that URL and write the cgi form and host it here and mail John directly. Some folks may just hit the submit button which will send the report to the AMS not John, so perhaps mailing them asking to forward any irish reports would be a good idea.

Unfortunately I'm way to busy today to do this.

Cheers,
~Al

Albert White MSc FRAS
Chairperson, International Dark Sky Association - Irish Section
www.darksky.ie/

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17 years 7 months ago #549 by GoneShootin
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er,yes, I clicked on submit :) lol, well I hope the yanks appreciate my efforts

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17 years 7 months ago #550 by voyager
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Hi,

Would it be possible for someone to copy that URL and write the cgi form and host it here and mail John directly. Some folks may just hit the submit button which will send the report to the AMS not John, so perhaps mailing them asking to forward any irish reports would be a good idea.

Unfortunately I'm way to busy today to do this.

Cheers,
~Al


Not quite following you here. What is it you want done exactly? I'm sure I could do it if I knew exactly what it was!

Bart.

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17 years 7 months ago #551 by albertw
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Not quite following you here. What is it you want done exactly? I'm sure I could do it if I knew exactly what it was!

Bart.


Sorry. Im having one of those days :-)

The site John wanted people to print off and post to him is:
www.amsmeteors.org/fireball/report.html
Its actually a cgi script that when you click on submit sends the data presumably to the AMS.

What would be nice would be if you could copy this page and set up say www.irishastronmy.org/fireball.html and when users clicked submit then it would mail johnf.

hope thats clearer :-)

Cheers,
~Al

Albert White MSc FRAS
Chairperson, International Dark Sky Association - Irish Section
www.darksky.ie/

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17 years 7 months ago #552 by voyager
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Not quite following you here. What is it you want done exactly? I'm sure I could do it if I knew exactly what it was!

Bart.


Sorry. Im having one of those days :-)

The site John wanted people to print off and post to him is:
www.amsmeteors.org/fireball/report.html
Its actually a cgi script that when you click on submit sends the data presumably to the AMS.

What would be nice would be if you could copy this page and set up say www.irishastronmy.org/fireball.html and when users clicked submit then it would mail johnf.

hope thats clearer :-)

Cheers,
~Al


hehe ... much clearer! ... do you ALSO want the report to get submitted to the CGI or to only mail John?

Bart.

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17 years 7 months ago #553 by albertw
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hehe ... much clearer! ... do you ALSO want the report to get submitted to the CGI or to only mail John?


I dont mind, I suppose if we are copying their page the lease we can do is send them a copy of any data collected!, though not sure if they would even care about reports from this isde of the atlantic.

Cheers,
~Al

Albert White MSc FRAS
Chairperson, International Dark Sky Association - Irish Section
www.darksky.ie/

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17 years 7 months ago #576 by Paul Tipper
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... I was atop the Slieve Bloom mountains when I saw this bright green streak flash across the sky...


By the by, Shane, can you recommend good, dark-sky sites in the Slieve Bloom's for observing? I was thinking of heading up there at some stage over the Whirlpool weekend.

Paul Tipper,
South Dublin Astro. Soc.

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17 years 7 months ago #581 by spculleton
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Of course Paul, after letting me look through yours and Albert's 'scopes at Sandymount on May 7th, it's the least I can do!
Usually I go to the Ridge of Capard, which is easist to get to from Portlaoise/Mountmellick direction. From Birr though I figure you'd need to head towards Cadamstown. Never used it myself, but my Uncle is a mad-keen hillwalker and he swears by it. Follow any of the signs for viewing points as these are usually good.
The only things to watch out for are cars with steamy windows (who might assume that you're lugging around EURO 2,000 worth of gear 'cos you're a pervert) or boy racers driving Nissan Micras with spoilers (one of which skidded to a halt within five feet of my LX90 on Mars night.)
I'll check for some good sites between now and Whirlpool. If I don't let you know before then, I'll certainly let you know on the weekend.

Shane Culleton.

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17 years 6 months ago #727 by galwayskywatchers
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So WHAT is the verdict on the august 27th fireball???? anyone have any estimate on its magnitude? from seeing it myself i guess -15 maybe more its hard to guage it

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