Sky Atlas 2000.0

16 years 11 months ago #586 by michaeloconnell
Sky Atlas 2000.0 was created by michaeloconnell
I'm thining about getting a star atlas and have read good reports on sky atlas 2000. I was wondering if anyone here has it?
Do you find it good?
Does it have alot of DSO's marked on it?
Is the laminated filed version the one to go for?
Is there another atlas that users find equally as good or even better?
Thanks,
Michael
AI quoted me €165 to buy the laminated field version from them. I can get it from a number of places on the net for €65.
BTW, anyone know anywhere that, in general., is cheap for astro books??

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16 years 11 months ago #587 by Paul Tipper
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Michael,

I have the Field version of 2000.0 Sky Atlas (laminated, white stars on a black field), and I think it's superb. It has 81,312 stars up to visual magnitude 8.5 and about 2,700 deep sky objects. My wife got it for me as a birthday present off Walter Mee of Andromeda Optics, so I'm not sure how much it cost, but I assume it was a lot less than the AI price you were quoted! :)

Paul Tipper,
South Dublin Astro. Soc.

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16 years 11 months ago #590 by spculleton
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I have a 'spare' copy of the laminated field version and you can have it for EURO 20. Never used, pristine condition, just one teensy problem. It's missing the close-up chart of the Virgo cluster. It has all of the other 'large-scale' maps, and the close-up of the belt-area of Orion.
Let me know if you're interested. I can bring it along to Whirlpool if you are.
Including the carrier-case and fairly prompt postage on Fed-Ex, which meant order placed on Tuesday delivered on Friday, came to less than EURO 120. I could have sold it on at AI prices and made a tidy profit myself :twisted: !!
As for cheap places to buy books, then I can wholeheartedly recommend Amazon.co.uk. They're an average of 50% cheaper than AI INCLUDING exchange rate and postage. For example, all three volumes of Burnham's Celestial Handbook cost EURO 48 including exchange/postage, while one volume of the book was quoted at EURO 28 in the AI shop. Amazon have a better selection than Eason, Waterstones and Hodges Figgis too.

Shane Culleton.

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16 years 11 months ago #591 by ei5fk
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Price: $35.00 at www.amazon.com
It might not be the laminated edition but total cost including postage would not be far off €40
I have done a lot of good value shopping at amazon.com and am very happy with them.
You could but 4 of them for ur friends and it would be cheaper than paying "165 Euro" locally
The above offer at €20 from Paul Tipper is excellent also Michael.
Sometime soon I must tell you all about problems down here trying to let people know about our Astronomy club through local radio and media, due to "others" having the rights....keep posted, bet 90% you you know who I am talking about already
See you all at Birr

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16 years 11 months ago #592 by michaeloconnell
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Yea, €20 euro seems reasonable alright. Might have a look at it at Birr if that's ok Shane.
As for your efforts on radio, I can only imagine!!! Keep up the effort though...eventually it'll get though. Alot of new members (including myself) to IFAS clubs are AI people who have got a little disappointed with the whole situation.
Michael

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16 years 11 months ago #601 by gnason
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Michael,

I think you are confused between the laminated deluxe edition and the laminated field and desk editions. AI could not have quoted you for the laminated field edition as they do not sell it. They only sell the deluxe and laminated deluxe editions and obviously quoted you for the latter.

Sky Publishing prices are $119.95 for the laminated deluxe edition and $69.95 for the laminated field and desk editions. You may be able to pick them up slightly cheaper shopping around.

Personally, I would avoid the laminated field edition as white stars on a black background are extremely difficult to read at night. It may sound wrong but the preferred version for observing is actually the laminated desk edition with black stars on a white background. I use the standard deluxe edition because it utilises a larger scale and has coloured DSO symbols but I also have the laminated desk edition for dewy nights. I gave the laminated field version away as I found it more or less unusable although people with very young eyes may find it acceptable. The laminated deluxe edition is similar but doesn't fold so can be somewhat large and unwieldy. Haven't said that, it's a beautiful atlas.

Gordon

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16 years 11 months ago #602 by Paul Tipper
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Personally, I would avoid the laminated field edition as white stars on a black background are extremely difficult to read at night. It may sound wrong but the preferred version for observing is actually the laminated desk edition with black stars on a white background. I use the standard deluxe edition because it utilises a larger scale and has coloured DSO symbols but I also have the laminated desk edition for dewy nights. I gave the laminated field version away as I found it more or less unusable although people with very young eyes may find it acceptable. The laminated deluxe edition is similar but doesn't fold so can be somewhat large and unwieldy. Haven't said that, it's a beautiful atlas.

Gordon


I guess the rationale behind the Field version goes as follows:
  • The Field version format (white stars on a black background) obviously bears the closest resemblance to what you actually see when you look up into the sky, simplifying as far as possible the task of correlating what's in the atlas with what you see with your eyes, finderscope or main tube, something that's not nearly as easy as it sounds.
  • The black background minimises disturbance of your night vision. If you're out under a nice, dark sky, it can take up to an hour for your eyes to reach maximum sensitivity, and so shining a torch (even a red one) onto a large white page might set your night-vision back a bit.

I haven't used the Desk version, so I can't honestly offer a direct comparison between using it and the Field version at night, but I've used made successful use of the Field version (with the help of a red torch!) on a number of occasions now.

Paul Tipper,
South Dublin Astro. Soc.

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16 years 11 months ago #603 by michaeloconnell
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Interesting comments lads. I can see both sides of the story regarding whether the desk or field version is of more use when observing. I haven't seen any of them myself so can't say one way or the other. I'll just have to see them both at Birr and decide from there.
BTW, is the deluxe edition good for observing purposes as it has colour on it which would make difficult reading when under a red light. Is that correct or am I mistaken?
Amazon.com sell the second edition unlaminated spiral-bound deluxe version for $35.
Worth buying just for indoor use? I'd still get a laminated version for observing though as dew could do harm if you're out observing for more than a few hours.
Thanks for your replies,
Michael

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16 years 11 months ago #604 by Paul Tipper
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Michael,

I'll bring my Field version down to Birr so you can judge for yourself.

See you there!

Paul Tipper,
South Dublin Astro. Soc.

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16 years 11 months ago #605 by michaeloconnell
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Cool!...Thanks Paul!
Michael

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16 years 11 months ago #608 by gnason
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Paul,

Just as well Sky Publishing produce so many editions - there's bound to be one that suits! I know guys who swear by the loose leaf editions - they laminate them individually and only bring the sheets they need for an observing session leaving the rest behind. That would only work though if one had a very dedicated target list.

As I mentioned, my favourite is the non-laminated deluxe edition as it utilises a larger scale than the laminated firld and desk editions, coloured symbols (no problem with them under a red light), and is easy to carry.

I'll be glad to show you the laminated desk edition next time we meet up.

Gordon

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16 years 11 months ago #609 by michaeloconnell
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Thanks Gordon. Much appreciated.
Now why can't everyone else in the country be as helpful as this great bunch of people? :)
Michael

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16 years 11 months ago #613 by gnason
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Thanks Gordon. Much appreciated.
Now why can't everyone else in the country be as helpful as this great bunch of people? :)
Michael


Michael,

I forgot about this review I completed three years ago but it's as valid now as it was then.

SkyAtlas 2000.0, 2nd Edition Laminated Versions

Created by: Wil Tirion and Roger Sinnott
ISBN Desk : 0-933346-91-3 (Sky edition), 0 521 65432 7 (Cambridge edition)
ISBN Field : 0-933346-92-1 (Sky edition), 0 52165430 0 (Cambridge edition)
ISBN Deluxe: 0-933346-90-5 (Sky edition), 0 521 65434 3 (Cambridge edition)
Publisher: Sky Publishing Corporation & Cambridge University Press
Publication date: 1999
Size: Field/Desk – 18½ inches x 14 inches. Deluxe – 21 inches x 16 ¼ inches.

Will the continued onslaught of CD-ROM sky-mapping programs eventually cause the demise of printed atlases? Personally, I don’t think so and there is little evidence of it yet with excellent sales of the new printed atlases of unprecedented accuracy based on the Tycho and Hipparcos databases. I make extensive use of both mediums and would never dream of going out observing without my SkyAtlas 2000.0 in addition to any pre-compiled computer charts on particular objects. I’m sure most astronomers will agree that CD-ROM mapping software and the printed atlas are complementary to one another and co-exist very happily.

The laminated SkyAtlas 2000 2nd Edition atlases use the data from both the Tycho and Hipparcos Catalogues. These very accurate catalogues were produced in 1997 from the European Space Agency’s Hipparcos mission data. Tycho has highly accurate data on over one million stars down to magnitude 10.5 with a limiting magnitude of 11.5. Hipparcos has extremely accurate data on 118, 218 of those stars. In SkyAtlas 2000.0, 81,312 stars down to magnitude 8.5 are plotted on 26 charts. Computer graphics have allowed Tirion and Sinnott to plot a continuous progression of dot sizes for star magnitudes, resulting in very realistic starfields when compared to actual night sky views.

The laminated Field and Desk versions use a scale of 7.1 millimetres per degree. Both versions are spiral wirebound. The Field version displays white stars on a black background and the Desk version, black stars on a white background. Deep sky objects are portrayed with standard symbols, again outlined in white on the Field version and black on the Desk version. The Deluxe atlas symbol sizes relate to the sizes of the deep sky objects and are to scale for objects exceeding 10 arcminutes. In addition to the 26 main charts, 7 special interest charts are provided at higher scales. These are close-ups of regions such as the Pleiades, the Virgo Galaxy Cluster and the Belt and Sword of Orion. Both versions are identical except for the inverted colours. Don’t place too much emphasis on the nomenclature; it really is a matter of individual preference whether you feel more comfortable reading white on black charts or black on white. Personally, I prefer black stars and symbols on a white background as I find these easier to see at night.

The laminated Deluxe version really is a beautiful atlas. It comes with all the features of the Field and Desk atlases but at a larger 8.2 millimetres per degree scale and with colour-coded deep sky symbols and Milky Way. The coloured symbols make it easy to spot objects on the charts even at night while using a red light. These extra features combine to create a very user-friendly atlas.

The charts in all three versions are flat and bound across the top making them very easy to use in the field. Obviously, being laminated in clear plastic, the leaves are robust and protected from dirt or dew damage. Just a wipe from a damp cloth and the charts are as good as new again.

An extremely useful transparent overlay is included with each version. This shows right ascension and declination grids for measuring the coordinates of objects or plotting tracks, Telrad circles and stellar magnitude dots.

You now have a fantastic range of SkyAtlas 2000.0 atlases to choose from. No matter what version you opt for, rest assured you are getting a superb atlas that will last a lifetime.


© Copyright 2000 Gordon Nason

Gordon

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