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Posting this in case anyone into imaging is considerning a Vista machine.

Beware, no drivers for Toucam, SPC900 or NexImage. Philips say that they will not be writing any in the future.

The current drivers will not work in compatibility mode either.

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15 years 11 months ago #41067

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yet another reason to add to the long list of reasons not to waste your money on vista!

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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Re: Scary news for anyone wanting to image using Vista

Makes a good argument though Bart. It is not up to Vista (Microsoft) to make up the drivers for hardware - it is the job of the hardware manufacturer. I suppose the (apparent) logic is that Vista is relatively new, and as we have seen with the evolution of hardware technology, then I guess the ToUCam will be considered legacy in a matter of only a few years. It will take that long for Vista to become as popular I guess. As to the software likes of NexImage (is this software?) etc, I don't know why they don't move wth the times.

As a totally unrelated-to-astronomy opinion, I can only see Vista becoming 'popular' because it will be bundled with new machines. Sales so far have shown not many standalone copies have been purchased at all...
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As a totally unrelated-to-astronomy opinion, I can only see Vista becoming 'popular' because it will be bundled with new machines. Sales so far have shown not many standalone copies have been purchased at all...


Why would people?

I was actually considering spending 89 Euro to run a copy in a VM on my Mac till I found out I'd have to buy the 300 Euro copy if I want to run it in a VM. Well bugger that!

I was only planning on getting it for testing purposes really, I have no real interest in Windows. I have played with Vista at work and I was un-impressed. Yea, it's a little shinier but it really doesn't do much more than XP did. It's not more usable, it's no more user friendly. Basically, it didn't steal nearly enough ideas from the Mac :)

Add to that the DRM they've infested the whole thing with and the fact that they've binned their stable and reliable network stack and replaced it with a completely new one that's shown itself to be really buggy during the betas I think Vista users are in for a rough ride. I'd say give it till at least service pack 1 before you risk it.

Also, my crappy and very old Mac Mini with 32MB graphics RAM can do all the fancy graphics that Vista can do yet for Vista they demand you have 128MB graphics card for the same thing. How can they be so innefficient? My money is on the DRM stuff making it all very bloated and slow.

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Well I'll be sticking with XP & Linux.
Some people may get stuck with Vista though, even though nobody wants it.
I guess XP will start disappearing from new machines.
Bummer!
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I guess XP will start disappearing from new machines.
Bummer!


Yea ... MS are pushing it hard so they'll probably put the squees on manufacturers to stop offering XP ASAP.

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I'd bet the OS buffs are already out trying to crack this DRM madness, give it a few months, I'll be damned if I'm gonna get a 128+ video card and then have to upgrade the monitor just for Vista.
XP pro does a great job for me, MS can push vista all they want, I know of many computers still running 2000/NT and even 98 and they can still get updates over the web, so I think it will be many many years before I'll have to upgrade to vista. For the first time ever, this is one new MS OS I will not be pursuing.

As for the Toucam drivers, what can you say, maybe someone out there will come up with a driver, it could prove very profitable for them.
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My brother actually bought vista over the weekend (mad), it has fine graphics on it, it looks very well, but you do need a damn fast machine to get it working perfectly.
He kept his XP installation on a different drive so he was able to compare running games like Quake4 with it and XP and it runs perfectly on XP with the highest graphics mode, it doesnt run cleanly on even the lowest graphic settings on vista, Vista seems to be using ALOT of resources just sitting there doing nothing. So high end graphic users and gamers beware!
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My brother actually bought vista over the weekend (mad), it has fine graphics on it, it looks very well, but you do need a damn fast machine to get it working perfectly.
He kept his XP installation on a different drive so he was able to compare running games like Quake4 with it and XP and it runs perfectly on XP with the highest graphics mode, it doesnt run cleanly on even the lowest graphic settings on vista, Vista seems to be using ALOT of resources just sitting there doing nothing. So high end graphic users and gamers beware!


Yea ... and most of those resources are being used to make sure you're not being a naughty bog :)

Vista is such a waste of space. If you want shinny get an old second hand Mac for a few hundred quid, it will do all the shinny stuff Vista does!

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I could be wrong but I'm getting the distinct impression that Bart doesn't care for Vista :wink:

BTW This was also discussed on one of the UK boards and Astronomiser (the guys who built my camera) were also told, by Philips, that they would not be writing any updated drivers for Vista.
So it looks like that's it unless 3rd party ones become available at any stage.

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It's a good thing you can't swear on these boards
coz if you could.......
The air here would turn a little blue.

I bought a new laptop last weekend.
One of the PC world Toshiba Satelites.
Nice specs on her but GOD Damn Vista to hell!

I had the intention of just getting rid of vista off it and
installing XP on it insted.

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It's a good thing you can't swear on these boards
coz if you could.......
The air here would turn a little blue.


You can .... cartoon style:

!&*$%

:)

I bought a new laptop last weekend.
One of the PC world Toshiba Satelites.
Nice specs on her but GOD Damn Vista to hell!

I had the intention of just getting rid of vista off it and
installing XP on it insted.

Uragh!


Good idea to get Vista off it. Why not give one of the user-friendly Linuxes like Ubuntu a go?

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You are gonna have to get rid of Vista Frank, as the Toucam will not work with it as there are no drivers for it. Besides imagine the increase in dropped frames with all the CPU running the OS.
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There is a very good chance a friend an I can make a workable
driver for the Philips webcam on vista....
do ye think this might be worth while?
I'm for the moment gonna just split the HD and make it bootable to
either or.
anyways,
I think its time to go down Mac Linux st.
The travel reviews look great!
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I think its time to go down Mac Linux st.
The travel reviews look great!


As someone who's exclusively traveled down Mac & Linux st. for a few years now (Genuine (dis)Advantage was the final straw for me) I can highly recommend it. If your budget allows the Mac is a great platform, if not, Linux is free, can't say fairer than that!

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Bart.
at this stage,
My budget
Requires
that I get a scope / system
that is reliable and does what I want it to.

I have spent far to many years of my life (in total)
*&&^&*% around with sub systems and electronics that
do not do what I want them to do.

Let me just say that this is probably the only time in my life
that I will be able to, quite flippantly just splurge a
a bit of hard earned cash on a hobby.

So I guess I need to just think about what I want to do
and then get the right equipment and go do it.

I mean...
If you loved taking shots of sharks,
would you buy a substandard shark cage!?

Me thinks not.

I know now that
for me
Astronomy is for life...
Not just for Christmas!

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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Re: Scary news for anyone wanting to image using Vista

There is a very good chance a friend an I can make a workable
driver for the Philips webcam on vista....
do ye think this might be worth while?


Heck, of course! Even if someone else has beat you to a 'home made' Vista driver for it, I'm sure it is not 100% working. If you find one, and you appear to be code-savy in working on it, then make your own improved version. I am sure thousands of users worldwide are just screaming for a working Vista driver for their ToUcam to do some imaging!

Go Frank Go!

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I bought 5 new PCS and 4 laptops last week from Dell. I warned them not to put Vista on them and to install XP Pro instead. When I checked my order confirmations, some of the laptops were still being configured for Vista. A quick phone call got that sorted, but it just goes to show that Vista pushers are out there. - Say NO to Vista!

However, it won't be long before you can't buy a machine from Dell or other manufacturer without Vista as Microsoft dictate the availability of product to these manufacturers.
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There is a very good chance a friend an I can make a workable
driver for the Philips webcam on vista....
do ye think this might be worth while?


Are you kidding?!?, go ask him to write it now!!
A time will come when we'll have to stop using XP (not for a long time) but the sooner the driver comes out, the sooner the bugs can be found and fixed.
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There is a very good chance a friend an I can make a workable
driver for the Philips webcam on vista....
do ye think this might be worth while?


Something occurs to me, will Microsoft's insistance on Driver Signing not get in the way here?
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There is a very good chance a friend an I can make a workable
driver for the Philips webcam on vista....
do ye think this might be worth while?


Something occurs to me, will Microsoft's insistance on Driver Signing not get in the way here?


We'll find out today!

Oh, and my laptop is all better now.
It was a bad infestation of Vista alright but the little trooper
pulled through!
Shes up running and playing with XP again....awwww.
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There is a very good chance a friend an I can make a workable
driver for the Philips webcam on vista....
do ye think this might be worth while?


Something occurs to me, will Microsoft's insistance on Driver Signing not get in the way here?


We'll find out today!

Oh, and my laptop is all better now.
It was a bad infestation of Vista alright but the little trooper
pulled through!
Shes up running and playing with XP again....awwww.


And when I say we can make I mean he can make!
My computer programming skills stop at punching in the time on
the microwave! :D
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