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Exactly one thousand years ago this month, in May 1006, the brightest Supernova ever witnessed in recorded history (to this day) exploded in the southern constellation Lupus. (Dont confuse with the 1054 Crab Nebula explosion)
It was witnessed all over the Far and Middle East but was a bit far south for most of Europe.

One place in Europe described it beautifully: The IRISH monastery of St. Gallen beside Lake Constance in the Swiss Alps. It barely peeked above the Alps from St. Gallen & this helped to pin-point it's position very neatly.

St. Gallen is today a United Nations "World Heritage City" and very proud of it's Irish roots(It was founded in 612AD by the Irish monk Gall and is named after him.).
What a pity nobody in Ireland remembers this Irish observation !
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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

Thanks for sharing that...wish i had of seen it!!! :D
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coruscations attending the whole length of the luminosity, giving to the phenomena the aspect of a wrathful messenger, and not that of a tranquil body pursuing a harmless course..comet of 1680
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Replied by Paul Tipper on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

Fascinating. Do you know of any good sites with details of the Irish/St. Gallen link to the 1006 supernova, or with general information on the supernova?
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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

Thanks for the heads-up on that pmgisme, I never knew that one!
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Replied by pmgisme on topic SWITZERLAND WAS JUST AN OUTPOST

The real "action" in Europe was not in Switzerland incidentally,it was here in Ireland.

When the rest of Europe was sunk in the illiterate Dark Ages Ireland enjoyed a Golden Age.

The finest astronomical records from the Dark Ages are here in Ireland.

If you want to inspect a perfect record of every solar and lunar eclipse visible from Ireland covering those six hundred years visit the website of Daniel P. McCarthy of Trinity College Dublin:

www.cs.tcd.ie/Dan.McCarthy/

Nowhere else in Europe has anything remotely approaching the astronomical records that we Irish have kept to ourselves.

(Not surprising we hid them, we barely saved the Book of Kells. Note how the Ardagh Chalice and Derrynaflane Chalices were buried in bogs for a millenium!
Those who tried to conquer us STILL don't know that those records exist !
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Replied by dave_lillis on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

This is one I hadnt heard of before, an interesting point.

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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

He gives quite an interesting talk too. We had Dan down at Cosmos 2003 talking about the Irish Annals and their astronomical records. Some neat stuff in there!

Funny Note: I believe the Book of Durrow (Durrow, 4 miles from Tullamore in Co. Offaly) had an account of the Supernova of 1054. It was found by a farmer in the 1800's, who used it to 'bless' the drinking troughs of his cattle by dipping it in them! He believed it would help keep his cattle in good health! This was, of course, before the History Museum heard about it and took it off him!
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That's right ! I read about it in one of this month's astronomy magazines. Imagine - at an estimated magnitude of -9 / -10, it must have been one hell of a sight :shock:

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Replied by Mordaunt on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

I wrote a short news note in the May issue of Astronomy & Space magazine regarding the Lupus Supernova in 1006. See page 10.

It is not clear whether the monks at St. Galen could really have seen the supernova, as they are barely far enough south, and Switzerland is not flat. It is more likely that a monk of that monastery saw it while farther south, and then recorded it later.

I wrote a 3,500-word article about supernovas back in February, and tried to sell it to Science Spin, S&T and several other publications. But despite the anniversary there were no takers.

It would have appeared in A&S but the editor already had an excellent article about the James Webb Space Telescope by Martin Houston, which he'd held over from the previous month. So the article never saw the light of day. A pity, yes, but I always learn a lot form the research involved.

If anyone would like to read the supernova article just send an email to me at -

This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

- and I'll email it to you. I'll put it in an MS Word document format. There are images and diagrams so it will be a big file.

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Replied by voyager on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

I wrote a short news note in the May issue of Astronomy & Space magazine regarding the Lupus Supernova in 1006. See page 10.

It is not clear whether the monks at St. Galen could really have seen the supernova, as they are barely far enough south, and Switzerland is not flat. It is more likely that a monk of that monastery saw it while farther south, and then recorded it later.

I wrote a 3,500-word article about supernovas back in February, and tried to sell it to Science Spin, S&T and several other publications. But despite the anniversary there were no takers.

It would have appeared in A&S but the editor already had an excellent article about the James Webb Space Telescope by Martin Houston, which he'd held over from the previous month. So the article never saw the light of day. A pity, yes, but I always learn a lot form the research involved.

If anyone would like to read the supernova article just send an email to me at -

This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

- and I'll email it to you. I'll put it in an MS Word document format. There are images and diagrams so it will be a big file.

Emmet Mordaunt,
Nova Education.


Just as a matter of interest, how would you feel about the posibility of inclusing the article in the IFAS magazine arcturus? It's not as flash a A&S let alone S&T and it's just released as a PDF on this website but it is still an excellent publication with a good audience.

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Replied by pmgisme on topic St Gallen saw it.

If you can stand in the centre of St. Gallen (to this day) and look south you will the Ra and Dec location of where the supernova exploded just rising above the mountains to the south.They saw it.
Go to St. Gallen and read their original handwriting !
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Replied by pmgisme on topic Durrow

The Book of Durrow dates from the late seventh century. It can't have a reference to SN 1054 as it was already 400 years old in 1054AD.

It's true...it WAS used as "Aromatherapy for cows".

www.unc.edu/celtic/catalogue/manuscripts/durrow.html
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Replied by dmcdona on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

APOD ran this at the end of April...

antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060430.html

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Replied by pmgisme on topic Nice simulation

It would be neat someone in St. Gallen did the same, with their southern mountainous horizon accurately superimposed. Then we would see almost exactly what they saw.

Anyone know any Swiss astro-imagers?
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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Re: Durrow

The Book of Durrow dates from the late seventh century. It can't have a reference to SN 1054 as it was already 400 years old in 1054AD.

It's true...it WAS used as "Aromatherapy for cows".


I stand corrected so! I thought there was an 'appendix' to it from a later date.
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Replied by johnflannery on topic Re: Shamefully forgotten anniversary

greetings from San Francisco!

Paul (Tipper) mailed me about this thread . . . very interesting stuff and I'll talk to you a little more Emmet when I'm back in Ireland about using the article in Arcturus.

I've the book "Historical Supernovae" by Richard Stephenson if anyone would like to have a look through it for more info on SN1006. Another good book to read about what the next supernova in our galaxy will be like is "The Starry Room" by Fred Schaaf . . . he talks about how it will appear to us at maximum brightness; image a point source as bright as the First Quarter Moon twinkling, or the SN brightening the horizon with a dawn-like glow as it rises . . . can't wait!

I'd treat that Book of Durrow record with caution. When I first heard it, the observation sounded very much like a tornado, not a supernova.

couple of more books are "The Irish Book of Death and Flying Ships" by Tim Coates (some astronomical observations from the Irish annals contained within its pages) and "A Chronicle of Pre-Telescopic Astronomy" by Barry Hetherington.

atb,

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I pray for the night we see the next supernova in our own milkyway. Imagine it's just over 400 years since the last one - ok there was a reported supernova in cassiopeia in the year 1680, but it's reckoned it was only magnitude 6, so really not noticed.

Try and have a look at the countless stars there are at any astrophoto of the summer milkyway, surely the odds are one has to come soon :roll:

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I pray for the night we see the next supernova in our own milkyway. Imagine it's just over 400 years since the last one - ok there was a reported supernova in cassiopeia in the year 1680, but it's reckoned it was only magnitude 6, so really not noticed.

Try and have a look at the countless stars there are at any astrophoto of the summer milkyway, surely the odds are one has to come soon :roll:

Keith..


Was 1987A not in our galaxy?

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Was 1987A not in our galaxy?


Nope, that was in the LMC, a satellite galaxy of our milkyway, at 169,000 light years away. Still reached magnitude 3 :P

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Was 1987A not in our galaxy?


Nope, that was in the LMC, a satellite galaxy of our milkyway, at 169,000 light years away. Still reached magnitude 3 :P

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Cool ... in that cast we should be due one at some stage within the next 10 generations or so! :)
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