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Replied by albertw on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

In the interests of my sanity I have created an Atmospherics forum.

Please use it for atmospheric stuff.

I'll give it a month or so to see how many people start topics on it before we decide whether to keep it or not.
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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

First of all if anyone has been paying attention to myself or Conor's atmospheric images you would have noticed a recurrent trend of late. Since the last 'issue' and with correspondance via several moderators you will see that the day to day posting of these images has been terminated by myself and Conor. Any images of these phenomena that do appear here from me are done so with the justification that they are exceptionally bright or have strong colour intensity, complexity or are of a very photogenic nature and i for one feel they are adequate to share with other observers and imagers. I make no apologies what so ever for this wether anyone likes these phenomena or not becasue i was told to post them in the observing section by the moderators.

Second of all i would fully stand behind the atmospheric thread comming back online....surely it would be a good thing and what harm would it do anyway?

Last but not least are the comments made involving the words 'ego' and 'showing off' which are unjust and only show the transparency of the accusers ego!

Lets get the bows and Haloes the credit they deserve for there rich diversity and beauty! :D
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Replied by dave_lillis on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Good old badgering, I knew you'd come to the rescue Al. :lol:
Conor and Martin, do understand that this was never a personal attack on you two as far as I'm concerned, I just have an opinion on where these type of threads should be.
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Replied by albertw on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Good old badgering, I knew you'd come to the rescue Al. :lol:


yep, piss me off enough and I'll do anything for peace and quiet :-)
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Replied by Conor on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

No problem Dave! Im glad this is sorted. I hope Seanie will not make any more of his usual comments. Now back to some revising
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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Guys im not offended in any way and do not see this as a persoanl attack at all and would understand your decision on this what ever way the dice rolled.

But there was a few comments by a certain individual that i do consider personal attacks...no guessing who he is. :)
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Replied by dpower on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Far be it from me to stay out of a flame war :D

I personally don't have any objections to the atmospherics that are posted, but for the sake of organisation I think they should have their own forum category. On a rainy day there's bugger all else to look at.

I don't think they belong in Observing Reports- nothing more than an opinion, but I think that should be strictly for objects that lie beyond earth. It's just what I'd expect to see there.

But the pics should be somewhere on the website if that's what people want to look at or post. Not because of the 'is it astronomy' argument, but because this is a community. People have posted lots of things here that are vaguely related to astronomy, but that they believe people who are interested in astronomy will find interesting- afterall a lot of areas overlap.

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Also, let's attack the post not the poster eh? Seanie just expressed his opinion and did so in an inoffensive manner
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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Well said Dave!
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Replied by voyager on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

For the record, the Blog idea is my idea. I've been toying with the idea of an IFAS 'planet' for a while now.

For those of you not familiar with the concept of a blog I give you my humble and nerdy blog as an example: www.minds.nuim.ie/~voyager/blog/. My blog tends to focus on the more nerdy topics out there and in particular on software development and general use of the good old Mac. That's just my topic area of choice, Martin and the guys would be able to run a great blog on the atmospheric stuff and those of us interested could visit the blog and/or subscribe to the RSS feed, those of us not interested could ignore it.

Now, what has all this got to do with Planets? Well, there is software called 'Planet' that collates related blogs into a single 'uber blog', or planet. An example would be 'Planet Minds' which is an aggregation of the blogs of a load of guys from the NUI Maynooth Net Soc (MiNDS>), to see what I mean have a look here: www.minds.nuim.ie/planet/

If enough Irish observeres started to blog then we coudl set up and IFAS planet which I think would be a lovely resource.

Anyhow, last thing I'll say is place keep it civil folks, we are all friends here and there's no need to get nasty.

Now, unless I'm much mistaken, it looks like it's gonna be a clear night tonight so lets see lots of observation reports!

Bart.

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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Halo Seanie
You complain about seeing too much soo called 'weather' images and no astronomy. Where is your images??? You love to get a good dig in where ever you can. To be honest i think your are doing very little for this forum! Your bringing it down with your smart comments and pittyfull replies. Your stats as a Moderator has already been talked about and you were nearly taken off, only for martin to come to the rescue and say you could stay. You say others have been talking about us on here? Is there some sort of discussion going on behind our back? Who are these other people, if they feel so strong about it then they should voice there oponion. Really the only bitching going on is you crying over what you want but im sorry to tell you seanie, the bows & atmos are here to stay! :wink: :lol:


You see Conor, here is another aspect I am feeling from when you and Martin post here... its the feeling that "these guys don't do observing, so we'll post all of our stuff". I get the feeling that you guys want to shove it in my face, and other faces here too. I've been holding back saying it out loud, but I think its time it was said. I think you want to say "Feck them - we'll show them what observing is all about!"

I just don't have an ego.

But, if you would like to come down sometime and go over my 17 years of notekeeping on my astronomical endeavours, with scores of notebooks, sheets, drawings, and photographs, I'll have the kettle piping hot by the time you get here. Go on, make all the digs about "you know we'll never get down to see them Seanie, so why say that?" Because I can, and the evidence is here with me.

Oh, and the thing about you and Martin saving me? From being stripped of Moderator? Please....
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Replied by Seanie_Morris on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

I have just caught up with the subsequent posts following the one Conor made (imaged in my post above).

Apologies if it appears like I am pouring more petrol onto this imaginary fire some people think I am stoking.
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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Seanie i would genuinely love to see your astronomical observations and sketches spanning your observing career and i mean that in a sincere manner and if you have the kettle on for a brew then all the better - sure i will bring down a jar of milk :)

As for the in your face stuff i have to be frank with you. Any observations i post here and elsewere are for the simple reason that i love observing and i like to share my observations/images (good and bad) with everyone else on these forums. It has nothing to do with ego as my own log books contain twice as much info as seen on the forums...i just like to share these to engage in conversation about observing and seek advice and tips on various subjects from the wealth of talent within the IFAS. I admit i am very active on various forums but i probably suffer from repetitive compulsive disorder and cant help it lol so dont think i am rubbing your nose or anybody else's in the dirt...i always believe that observations are not observations unless they are recorded and shared with others and besides it keeps the forums active and if it encourages anyone else in the process then all the better.

Its a beauiful clear night tonight and i look forward to night fall...the 16" is cooling down now as we speak :) ..clear skies!
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Replied by dmcdona on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

THis must be the longest post ever on rainbows... !

I don't think Seanie has expressed anything different from what he has expressed before. He has a right to do that - in the same way Conor and Martin have a right to express theirs. I don't think personal attacks are useful and in all honesty, I don't think anyone means anyone else any harm. I understand that MArtin and COnor have held off on daily posts but I would have to question why post three images of the same rainbow? If the rainbow itself is unusual, fair enough. But three images? Perhaps a better method might be one image with a couple of links to another site (it does become a little tedious to scroll down three images...).

I think that everyone should have the right to post whatever images they want (astronomical content of course) but I think we do need to be mindful of reader fatigue. It would be a shame if a point was reached were people were so tired of sun dogs, haloes etc and then switch off - only to miss the picture of a lifetime. Now that would be a shame for both Martin and Conor and the rest of us.

However, it seems a solution is at hand where atmospherics afficianados can post away and those who want to can go take a peek.

I hope we can all kiss and make up though - Seanie, Martin and Conor - you are three regular and respected posters who have contributed significantly to the knowledge of the rest of us. Please continue to hold your opinions and voice them from time-to-time, but in the nicest possible way. It would a shame for the rest of us if you had a serious falling out - whatever the reason.

Sorry if I sound like your mum.... But my mum was always right. If we told her she wasn't, we'd get a slap...

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Replied by Jared Macphester on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

I wrote this inresponse to an earlier post and by the time I pushed submit there were a bunch of other posts in the line. I'm not even going to bother.
A blog is an idea but in the end it is suffers from the same weakness as board-mail. It's not really a good strucure for saving and organizing data. If you want to gather up reports - which is what seems to be needed here, a structured reporting/logging system, then you need online forms that can be filled out and saved, all the records indexed and organized - it's a database issue.
You can blog and pod and post all you like but its a growing pile of random noise. Right now there are 27,833 posts on this board, where will we be in 10 years?? 100,000 posts 200,000 posts?. A googleplex of unstructured data - very usefull. If IFAS and whomever is driving this thing want to achieve something then you need to think about the long term, about putting other useful "products" out there.

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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Dave the field of view of my camera is very small which is why i take a number of images to capture and express the full size range of haloes and rainbows etc. Some of them are zoomed in on certain points of the phenomena to show foreground objects etc for contrast and comparison..thats my reason for doing this. I will try to tone it down abit though.
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Replied by voyager on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

I wrote this inresponse to an earlier post and by the time I pushed submit there were a bunch of other posts in the line. I'm not even going to bother.
A blog is an idea but in the end it is suffers from the same weakness as board-mail. It's not really a good strucure for saving and organizing data. If you want to gather up reports - which is what seems to be needed here, a structured reporting/logging system, then you need online forms that can be filled out and saved, all the records indexed and organized - it's a database issue.
You can blog and pod and post all you like but its a growing pile of random noise. Right now there are 27,833 posts on this board, where will we be in 10 years?? 100,000 posts 200,000 posts?. A googleplex of unstructured data - very usefull. If IFAS and whomever is driving this thing want to achieve something then you need to think about the long term, about putting other useful "products" out there.

JMP


I agree 100% but a blog with tagged meta data is as useful as a DB.

A structured observing reporting thingy has been something I've envisaged for this site from day one. It was in my initial pitch to the IFAS committee all those years ago. Were we to inhabit an ideal world it would have been done years ago. Thing is we don't and for reasons beyond my control I just haven't had the amount of time I'd wanted or expected to put into this place.

I had hoped that things would speed up when I stepped aside as Webmaster but I think reality is bitting back again. Simple fact is we are a community of amateurs who all have a life outside of astronomy that demands a lot of time and of all the people in this sizable community there is saddly only a very small percentage who have both the time and the skills needed to put great ideas like this into practice.

Blogs are achievable now, more advanced systems aren't, hence my proposing blogs.

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Replied by dmcdona on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Dave the field of view of my camera is very small which is why i take a number of images to capture and express the full size range of haloes and rainbows etc. Some of them are zoomed in on certain points of the phenomena to show foreground objects etc for contrast and comparison..thats my reason for doing this. I will try to tone it down abit though.


Ahhh - I see. With all you new found fame, perhapes a wide angle lens paid for out of the royalties? :D

Tone them down if you feel it necessary - but not just on my account. Keep them coming but try to make sure the image/post is going to wow us and looking for more!

Cheers

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Replied by voyager on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Oh the irony of it all!!!!!

I'm under doctors orders to de-stress a little (well a lot actually) so I've decided I need to get out under the stars more often so to encourage me to do that I've decided to do the Novice Observing Challenge and try to get it completed by the end of the year.

How does all this relate I hear you ask? Well, as my printer was spooling out the pages I couldn't help but notice an entire section dedicated to .... wait for it .... Atmospheric Optics! So that settles it, in IFAS Atmospheric optics ARE astronomy! :)
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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

I will try my best Dave...i could do with some cash to get that DSLR i have always been after.
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Replied by dmcdona on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Bart - you have a great opportunity tonight. Its not too cold and its clear skies in Celbridge.

Go grab a beer and the binocluars plus a deckchair and give the challenge a good old lash. And if the beer is too tasty, forget he challenge and just enjoy! (both sky and beer :wink: )

And that's peach about the Atmospheric Optics!

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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

LOL talk about Synchronicity!!!!! - must be a sign :)

Best of luck with your observing programme!!
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Replied by dmcdona on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

I will try my best Dave...i could do with some cash to get that DSLR i have always been after.


Get your letter off to the North Pole now to beat the rush :wink:
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Replied by martinastro on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

I will do that..might be a good place for atmospherics as well.
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Replied by dmcdona on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

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Replied by voyager on topic Re: WOW What A Bow!!!

Bart - you have a great opportunity tonight. Its not too cold and its clear skies in Celbridge.

Go grab a beer and the binocluars plus a deckchair and give the challenge a good old lash. And if the beer is too tasty, forget he challenge and just enjoy! (both sky and beer :wink: )

And that's peach about the Atmospheric Optics!

Dave


Didn't have any beer but I did get the scope out and get a good view of Jupiter (well as good as your view gets when there's bird poo on your mirror) and then jumped on the bike and headed out into the countryside with my Lidel Binoculars to get some binocular observing in. Didn't catch anything too out of the ordinary, just the usual suspects but it was nice none the less!

The only atmospheric optics I saw was scatter from Dublin, Maynooth 7 Kilcock tough, and TBH I'd have been better off without it! :wink:
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