Beginners astrophotography forum?

12 years 2 months ago #47920 by bertthebudgie
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Hi

May I suggest a beginners astrophotography forum where you can post your own newbie (imperfect) efforts and get advice from other beginners/ experts alike. :)

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12 years 2 months ago #47940 by artyfarty
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I think I would agree with this idea, for myself I'd be embarrassed to post my feeble attempts to date in the current forums.

Having said that I've never seen anyone submit any discouraging comments on any attempts posted (I think thats something you all should be proud of) but boy do my attempts look crap in comparison to yours and hence the reluctance to post them :(

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12 years 2 months ago #47945 by albertw
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TBH I'd rather folks just use the existing section. That section is for astrophotography regardless of your expertise. Splitting it would just create an expert/beginner divide imo.

Then again I never want to create new topics and often suggest getting rid of unused ones 8-)

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12 years 2 months ago #47946 by voyager
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I'm with Albert on this one. The great thing about these boards is that people DON'T belittle other people's work and when beginners ask for pointers they get 'em. The front page is already very cluttered and confusing, I don't think we should add yet another forum to it.

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12 years 2 months ago #47997 by mia
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Can I just add, as a starter to a/photography (there has to be an acronym for that, AP maybe?) I've posted my feeble handheld attempts on two forums and have had nothing but encouragement including one member who worked on the images taking off filter hues etc. (I didn't know how!! :oops: )

Maybe more advice regarding processing for beginners on the AP section would be welcome!

I was worried about negative comments but I think people realise we're all on different places on a learning curve, and all the experienced ones recognise themselves in each beginner and are more than prepared to help out.

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12 years 2 months ago #47998 by albertw
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Maybe more advice regarding processing for beginners on the AP section would be welcome!


Good idea.

Any of the more advanced folks feel like putting together a tutorial post about registax, photoshop,etc.? I know many of you use MaxImDL for processing, but a tutorial for basic photoshop would be helpful for those not wanting to invest (yet) in pro astronomy image software.

Cheers,
~Al

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12 years 2 months ago #48011 by dave_lillis
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Maybe more advice regarding processing for beginners on the AP section would be welcome!


Good idea.

Any of the more advanced folks feel like putting together a tutorial post about registax, photoshop,etc.? I know many of you use MaxImDL for processing, but a tutorial for basic photoshop would be helpful for those not wanting to invest (yet) in pro astronomy image software.

Cheers,
~Al

I put up a sticky in the astrophotography section a good while back on how to use registax,
http://www.irishastronomy.org/boards/viewtopic.php?t=5655
I didnt get any feedback on changes people want, so I'm presuming its readable and usable ?? Anyone want to suggest improvements/changes, feel free to reply here or PM me. Has anyone read it?

Anyway, I fell abit surprised that people want to have a beginners section, we all started somewhere, and I don't think anyone gets ridiculed for putting any kind of astro image up. If we split the forum, so called advanced people might not go to the beginners section so the beginners might miss out on feedback that they might otherwise get.
I'm gonna put up atleast one M42 image over the following winter, others will have better images then me, but thats not what its all about.

If you want to have the best images in the group, then forget it, you will always find a better image somewhere else on the web and then there is the HST.

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12 years 2 months ago #48016 by mia
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I put up a sticky in the astrophotography section a good while back on how to use registax,
http://www.irishastronomy.org/boards/viewtopic.php?t=5655
I didnt get any feedback on changes people want, so I'm presuming its readable and usable ?? Anyone want to suggest improvements/changes, feel free to reply here or PM me. Has anyone read it?


Dave, I do apologise, I've just joined and haven't had time to check out every post but yours is bookmarked for perusal lunchtime tomorrow.

I wasn't asking for a separate beginners section, infact, I was advocating the opposite, but just by adding the processing info which you have just provided with your link, it's a start for newcomers like me!! thanks :)

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12 years 2 months ago #48023 by ftodonoghue
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Has anyone read it?


Hi Dave

I dont do much astrophotography at all, but i was messing around a few months ago with recording video clips through thte dobn and I read it then and found it useful.

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12 years 2 months ago #48026 by albertw
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I put up a sticky in the astrophotography section a good while back on how to use registax,


I knew I read one somewhere here. Thanks Dave!

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12 years 2 months ago #48028 by Mike
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Hi Dave,

Coincidently, I came across your tutorial on Registax early yesterday and printed it, as I was unsure how to process the AVIs in Registax and I knew I was not getting the best out of this fantastic software. One could read the help files (if available) with the software, but I generally find help files to be OK, sometimes they can cause confusion and not follow a logical sequence or indeed contain so much detail that one wonders were to begin.
It is only when an experienced person comes along and pulls everything together to offer a concise tutorial that the help files then begin to actually “Help”.
I managed to apply your written tutorial to a few AVIs I took of the Moon through my new telescope and camera set-up, the results were much better indeed, and hidden detail was enhanced, there were additionally certain features on Registax I was unaware of. So a big thank you for your effort in placing this information on the forum, much appreciated 8-) .

Dave, I also have one or two questions on the Kendrick Digifire 10 dew control system that I purchased recently, (may i PM you?), which by the way is simply an astounding piece of technology, I used it for three hours (without Dewshield) on Wednesday until I called it a night, guess what, no dewing problems at all, the telescope probably would have continued longer without dewing problems if I had stayed out for longer! I think I will not have to worry ever again about dewing problems when the new Dewshield arrives!

Clear skies
Mike

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12 years 2 months ago #48065 by dave_lillis
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I'm glad people are using the registax post I put up, any Qs, just ask.

Mike, I don't have a Kendrick Digifire 10 dew control system. I have a home brew one, so if you have general question then I might be able to help but I think Michael O'Connell has one of these and would probabily be able to help you out more.

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12 years 2 months ago #48074 by Mike
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Hi Dave
I must be suffering from A.A.C.S. (Amateur Astronomer Clouded out Syndrome); I meant to direct the last paragraph to Mr. Michael O’ Connell, :oops: apologies.

Clear skies
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12 years 2 months ago #48075 by michaeloconnell
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Hi Mike,
Good to hear the digifire10 is doing the biz. Feel free to drop me a pm or e-mail if you have any queries.
Clear Skies,

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12 years 2 months ago #48077 by Frank Ryan
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A quick tip for any of the newbies...
the 'search' function on the site is great.
But still it's good to post your questions coz you cant beat up to date answers.

As for having a beginners photo section,...
Why not.
If it helps more people and gets them posting thier work then surely its a good thing?!

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12 years 2 months ago #48080 by dave_lillis
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Lets say we have a beginner section, how do we classify a beginner? this might sound like a stupid question but if you think about it is not as easy as it might seem at first. I think all it will cause is confusion.
For instance, for deepsky imaging I regard myself as a beginner, for planetary and lunar imaging I would classify myself as a small abit experienced but not advanced, so where do I put my posts? It all becomes very confusing, and what about people with really expensive equipment, are they automatically in the advanced section?, some might think so.

If people feel that they cant put up their images because they feel they are better images of the same thing already up, then they are looking at it the wrong way, they should be putting up images with a view to feedback so you might improve on it next time, and with practice you will become proficient in imaging.

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but what a way to go. :)
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12 years 2 months ago #48084 by michaeloconnell
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Lets say we have a beginner section, how do we classify a beginner? this might sound like a stupid question but if you think about it is not as easy as it might seem at first. I think all it will cause is confusion.
For instance, for deepsky imaging I regard myself as a beginner, for planetary and lunar imaging I would classify myself as a small abit experienced but not advanced, so where do I put my posts? It all becomes very confusing, and what about people with really expensive equipment, are they automatically in the advanced section?, some might think so.

If people feel that they cant put up their images because they feel they are better images of the same thing already up, then they are looking at it the wrong way, they should be putting up images with a view to feedback so you might improve on it next time, and with practice you will become proficient in imaging.


I agree completely. With the exception of one or two members here, the rest of look pretty pathetic compared to the likes of Russell, Rob Gendler et al. Beginners should sieze the opportunity given to them here to learn how to improve their images. By sharing them with others with a wee bit more experience, they are more likely to make less mistakes than only getting feedback from members with similar experience.

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12 years 2 months ago #48086 by Frank Ryan
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Fair enough, leave it alone and let people just post in the 'Astrophotography' section.
It might become too messy otherwise.

But, try for a second and take a fresh look at it if you were a beginner photographer, and just joined the site.

When you go into the Astrophotography section the first few threads are thus:

Astro Photography
A place to discuss all aspects of Astro photography.



Announcement: Another IFAS Astrophotography Opportunity of Importance
Sticky: Procedure for using REGISTAX for Planetary/Lunar imaging
Sticky: Images
(Then the latest posts....)

So what is the newbie photographer actually seeing here?
An announcement about a competition,
a walkthrough for an imaging piece of software and a post about
tagging images.

(all perfectly fine)

But you are a newbie, and you just took your first pic of the moon
with your new scope and your bursting with excitement and would like to
post it up and ask people what they think or for advice but...
your kinda put off coz.....well....This boards posters seems to be all very
experienced (well to you the newbie, when you look down through all those posts on the page!)

OK.
So, enough pratting on.
Do you remember when we updated the front page to make it a bit more
friendly to newcomers?

So how about a sticky at the top of the section that just briefly explains to
the first time reader the vibe of the section, that we encourage first-timers and beginners
to post up their pics?
Also, if asked, we will give our opinions or advice etc.
Then a few brief guidelines as to size and places to store images (Flikr etc...)
tags, all that...?

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12 years 2 months ago #48087 by dave_lillis
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all good points Frank, go write up an intro if you wish and if it looks good it can be put up.

Dave L. on facebook , See my images in flickr
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12 years 2 months ago #48088 by albertw
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So how about a sticky at the top of the section that just briefly explains to the first time reader the vibe of the section, that we encourage first-timers and beginners to post up their pics?
Also, if asked, we will give our opinions or advice etc.
Then a few brief guidelines as to size and places to store images (Flikr etc...)
tags, all that...?


Thanks for volunteering! :D You write it and I'll make it sticky!

Announcement: Another IFAS Astrophotography Opportunity of Importance
Sticky: Procedure for using REGISTAX for Planetary/Lunar imaging
Sticky: Images


I've removed the first one; its out of date.

The images post can be merged into the 'beginners' topic that you are going to write 8-)

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12 years 2 months ago #48089 by Frank Ryan
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The images post can be merged into the 'beginners' topic that you are going to write 8-)


:D
I thought ye
had forgotten about that one!

As for writing a sticky.
Is there not someone a bit more experienced than me here to write it?

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12 years 2 months ago #48090 by dave_lillis
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Nope :lol:

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12 years 2 months ago #48091 by Frank Ryan
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Doh!

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12 years 2 months ago #48451 by Bill_H
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How about a processing workshop?
Processing is always my weak point and my brain works too slow for following books etc. at the same time.
How about one of you processing wizards doing something like putting up an unprocessed image, one we could download to our own PC, then walk us through the processing with the finished image beside the unprocessed one?
Practical learning is always the best.
Bill.

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12 years 2 months ago #48452 by carlobeirnes
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Hi all,

Have a look at the way this forum board is laid out this is were I spend most of my astro time when not out with my telescope.

ukastroimaging.co.uk/forums/index.php

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