The new website - A failure or success.

10 years 7 months ago #76431 by JohnMurphy
Replied by JohnMurphy on topic The new website - A failure or success.
Michael - increasing the number of posts per page certainly makes for easier reading - good one.

However I can still not update my profile - as I mentioned earlier it complains about the space in my username. I don't mind adding an underscore or whatever, but I am afraid that if I change my username now I will lose all my history on this site.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76435 by michaeloconnell
Replied by michaeloconnell on topic The new website - A failure or success.
sorry, I missed that point John.
i've removed the space in your username now.
next time you log in, use "JohnMurphy" as your username and the same password as you normally use.
hopefully it will work ok for you.

if you want a - or a _ in there instead, just let me know.
only takes a few seconds to change.

michael.

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10 years 7 months ago #76437 by JohnMurphy
Replied by JohnMurphy on topic The new website - A failure or success.
Michael,

I arrived into work this morning to find notification emails in my mailbox.
I am now able to update my profile, since you removed the space from my username.
All in all a result - thanks for your efforts Michael, appreciated.

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10 years 7 months ago #76441 by Seanie_Morris
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Spaces in usrnames was a completely unforseen setback to Fireboard that was not known untill the migration happened, and some users had complaints! Sorry about that John, I thought this was pointed out in a thread a while ago... :blush:

Seanie.

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10 years 7 months ago #76443 by DaveGrennan
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I must say, I did find the old e-mail notification of new topics very useful. You could see straight away when there was something of interest. I really like the layout of the new site. I've worked with PHPBB before but not fireboard. Is there not a 'New topic Notification' mod for fireboard?

It does seem that traffic is slower on the new site alright. I'd say the new topic notification would go a long way to rectifying this.

Regards and Clear Skies,

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10 years 7 months ago #76444 by JohnMurphy
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Well I thnk we have a reasonable amount of feedback here and it seems pretty clear that email notification is missed by the majority of posters on this thread.

If it is at all possible the IFAS web team should try to rectify this. If it is not possible with this version of Fireboard then IFAS should put pressure on Fireboard to include it in future revisions, and also to make it selectable in users profiles as to what kind of feedback they want to set automatically.

In the meantime thanks to Michael O'Connell for the help with resolving a number of issues, though I feel the "hit subscribe button" is just another work around, it should be set and forget in the profile. I will of course use it though, and I would suggest that the use of this button should be highlighted to users so that it may help re-stimulate activity on the site. We can't change the weather but some things are under our control....

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76445 by michaeloconnell
Replied by michaeloconnell on topic The new website - A failure or success.
JohnMurphy wrote:

I feel the "hit subscribe button" is just another work around, it should be set and forget in the profile.

Yes, I agree. It is a very handy feature if someone wants to keep track of the occasional post, but it's not very practical for someone who wants to monitor all posts.

FWIW, here is a link to the RSS feed for the site, if this is of anyone use to anyone.
http://www.irishastronomy.org/forum?func=fb_rss&no_html=1

Seanie & Darragh,

Can you do the following please:

1. Find plug-in which will allow each user to turn on/off email notifications for all new threads.
2. Find plug in which will allow each user to adjust their "Subscribe" setting for all posts.
3. Write a post which explains the new features in the website. There are some good additions (e.g. calendar, write articles, etc) but they are not used very much. If people are a bit more aware of these features and how to use them, they may better understand the logic of upgrading the website.

In the meantime, I would encourage users to click on the various links on the left hand side and take a look at the new features in the site.

Thanks,

Michael.

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10 years 7 months ago #76446 by JohnMurphy
Replied by JohnMurphy on topic The new website - A failure or success.
Michael,
Thanks for all your help, I hope this post has been of use to others in learning how to get the most out of this site.
I believe that Fireboards has now been replaced/upgraded to Kunena. Being open source I can see the reasons why IFAS went for this product in the first place. Also it is relatively new and can only get better as time progresses. I'll keep an eye on new developments / modules and if anything comes up that might be useful I'll let you know - though I'm sure Darragh and Seanie are well capable of that also. I have not seen any answers to this issue yet from Joomla and it has been raised by other board organisers many times, yet maybe this is included in Kunena.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76448 by michaeloconnell
Replied by michaeloconnell on topic The new website - A failure or success.
You're welcome John.

BTW, if anyone else has a space in their username, just send us a pm and we will amend it. This will ensure the format is compatible with the new website software and you can then edit your signature etc.

Thanks,

Michael.

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10 years 7 months ago #76449 by ayiomamitis
Replied by ayiomamitis on topic The new website - A failure or success.
Seanie et al,

I also suspect the weather is the culprit in the low bandwidth the past few months. Just to give you an idea, I have not been able to spend more than 3-4 hrs under the starry sky the past three months! No kidding!

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10 years 7 months ago #76450 by phoenix
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There has also been the loss of images from the site. When you look at the forum stats the astrophotos is the highest count however over the last year or so there has been an underlying current to discourage showing images. Bear with me on this one.

First of all there was constant complaints about images taking up too much bandwidth and saying that all images should be linked via flick r.

No problem. On other forums they have astrophoto sections with twice the posts but no complaints from mods about posting.

Then came the loss of the imaging comp........blamed on weather and lack of interest....

We can blame the weather for everthing and if there is no compition then you can insure no interest.

The flickr image banner used to be above the posts for those of us who decided to stick to the guidelines and then it was moved to the bottom of the page so that nobody actually gets to it.

I know that talking to other imagers they have also percieved this and no longer post here. Instead they post on UK sites.

Kieran
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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76451 by JohnMurphy
Replied by JohnMurphy on topic The new website - A failure or success.
Phoenix,
I would agree to a large extent to what you are saying, you may remember my previous posts on this very issue arguing for the very same thing, that images generated by our contributors need to be given more lattitue and not tied down to strict guidelines. The facts are coming home to roost as I knew they would.

The IFAS site is slowly dying and I don't think anyone who uses these boards can deny it. But don't think its a single issue to identify and resolve, its not. These things are a little more complex than that, its usually down to a combination of issues. Lack of e-mail notification is just a single element. The issuance of strict conditions for posting images is another. But what I believe is the single biggest problem manifested itself some time ago and culminated in a prominant poster being bullied and forced to go into "hibernation". I speak of course of PJ, and though I frequently disagreed and argued with him, I will stand up for his right to speak without being bullied.

The number of PMs I have received since I started this thread has been a revelation to me, I didn't realise how much trouble IFAS is in. Previous Admins of the site and people close to IFAS council have confided a lot and you can ignore a single gripe but not when everyone is saying the same thing. One theme that keeps on cropping up is bullying, ganging up on a single naysayer and shooting him down. Now, thats OK in business, I deal with it every day and expect and can deal with it, however in the environment of leisure and astronomy its a bit disquieting.

Michael - I know you are an honorable man and would not stand for what is happening, but do you know what is happening?

I am debating with myself wether to submit this post or not, but in the interests of the survival of IFAS and this site I feel I must hit the "SUBMIT" button. Roll on the consequences. I was hoping that it would all end with the email issue - Bugger, now I've got to deal with this!

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76452 by michaeloconnell
Replied by michaeloconnell on topic The new website - A failure or success.
I think there is a bit of confusion on a number of fronts here:

1. The front page was re-organised as some people complained that it was dis-organised . Something has to go at the top and bottom of the page.

2. If there is demand for the photo comp to come back, that's no problem. Leave it with me and it will be back shortly.

3. Images uploaded via Flicker do not impact upon our bandwidth. Where it could pose a problem is for users on dial-up as a large image embedded into the post could take ages to load. The limit is 800pixels x 800pixels and 150kb. This is for the display of images directly within the post. Placing a link to an image which is much bigger than this is no problem and has no impact on the bandwidth of the website. If people want to discuss this rule, then let's discuss it in conjunction with feedback from users on dial-up.

4. John, that's some very heavy stuff you are throwing at us there re PJ. And no, I would not consider that behaviour appropriate in business either, but each to their own I guess. If you have some evidence to indicate that his treatment by us was unfair, show it to me. IIRC, PJ left because he did not want to take part in an astronomy website because it only discussed astronomy. So, rather than just discuss astronomy, he left. We are not here to compete with the likes of boards.ie etc. Sometimes a few posts can go a little off-topic and we try to allow a little bit of latitude. However, starting threads about the Lisbon Treaty etc, well, it's difficult to see the astronomy context there.

5. If anyone has a suggestion, let us know. If we think it's a good idea, we will try to implement it. That is why we have a Bugs, Suggestions and Feedback section. Alternatively, if one would prefer to keep it private, you can send a pm to anyone in the IFAS Council or web team.

6. The website, and IFAS in general, has always been run by a small number of volunteers who dedicate their spare time to helping others discuss astronomy through this website. None of us get paid for this job. Apologies if this is inadequate service. If someone is willing to volunteer to help out with the website in some way (photo comp, moderation etc), then let us know if you are interested and we can discuss.

7. IFAS is not in "trouble" with anyone. Care to clarify what you are talking about???

Michael.

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10 years 7 months ago #76454 by paulevans
Replied by paulevans on topic The new website - A failure or success.
Phoenix and JohnMurphy - Bang, Bang, Bang! That's the sound of nails being hit squarely on the head!

This used to be a great place but people, and not just PJ, have been driven out. I've seen it happen and indeed I've experienced it myself when the Chairman sent me a very rude PM which I invited him to apologise for which he declined to do. My door is still open.

Now as it happens I run a moderately successful forum myself and the way I deal with the off-topic chat which seems to be such a problem here is that we have a "General" part of the board in which anything goes. The way this works is that if someone posts something of interest to other posters then a discussion will ensue, and if the off-topis is of no interest then no-one else will join in - simple! No antagonism necessary, no offence caused.

Likewise, we've never had anyone rubbish the images of others as I have seen here - it tends to drive people away to the extent that although this forum has over 1400 users and mine has 54, my forum has more traffic despite the fact that we have much the same weather as you guys so stop making excuses!

There are problems here over and above the board software and they won't be resolved by adopting a head in the sand approach.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76456 by michaeloconnell
Replied by michaeloconnell on topic The new website - A failure or success.
paulevans wrote:

I've seen it happen and indeed I've experienced it myself when the Chairman sent me a very rude PM which I invited him to apologise for which he declined to do. My door is still open.


As you are aware Paul, you used this site as a platform for throwing accusations at the EAAS and persons therein as you felt aggrieved at the actions taken against you by same. As discussed at length with you repeatedly, this is not acceptable. The matter between you and the EAAS is a private matter. The reasons why you are banned from the club is not a matter for IFAS to get involved with. Neither are we going to get involved in any potential legal issues, especially as they are outside of this state. The first few times you did this, we discussed the issue at length and we all thought the issue was perfectly clear & understood by everyone. However, for some reason you continued your course of action. Your conduct was discussed at length by the moderators and it is on the back of those discussions that you were issued with a PM warning you of your actions. We have never prevented you from talking astronomy on this site or involked any ban on you. You are more than welcome to discuss astronomy here, as stated to you by us repeatedly. But the issue between you and the EAAS, especially as it has legal complications, is not a matter for IFAS to get involved in.

I trust this clarifies the matter.

Michael.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76457 by paulevans
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Michael,

Your PM to me was way out of proportion to any offence I may have caused to others.

You owe me an apology. That you still refuse to deliver it says much more about you than it does about me.

I think you should consider resigning as IFAS Chair given the mess things appear to be in.

Being the Chairman of an organisation does not confer on you the right to bully members.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76461 by dave_lillis
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Can I just jump in and remind people that the site is not IFAS.
This is a bulletin board that's run by IFAS,
IFAS is alot more then just some bulletin board. From what I can see IFAS itself is ok.

I feel I can speak about the following as I was a mod at the time.
As for PJ, he left on his own accord because he wanted to talk about more then astronomy, in which case boards.ie would suit his needs alot more, he was not told to leave the site.
As for peoples images been rubbished, I don't remember any astronomical images that were?
If people started putting up images of sunflowers or stuff like that then obviously a few eyebrows will be raised.
Comments like "Adjust the levels, brightness" are the entire point of putting an image up, I'd want feedback on how to improve the image.
Paul, you argued over EAAS at nearly every opportunity, if you have a problem with EAAS then take it up with them, going on about it here will not resolve your issues.

From what I can see, the real problem here is that feedback is not been listened to, then people get annoyed, brushing feedback off with "what would you wan the functionality for" is a big no no especially when it keeps popping up.

Michael, you have tried to be as helpful as you can and would dive in there and sort the site issues out in an instant, but ultimately your hands are somewhat tied as you are not on the webteam.

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10 years 7 months ago #76465 by JohnMurphy
Replied by JohnMurphy on topic The new website - A failure or success.

Can I just jump in and remind people that the site is not IFAS.
This is a bulletin board that's run by IFAS,
IFAS is alot more then just some bulletin board. From what I can see IFAS itself is ok.


Dave - you are quite correct, IFAS is not in trouble, these boards are.

Michael - with respect to individual cases I would prefer not to go into them as the PMs I received were by their very nature private and I would prefer not to reveal them. The sources though may want to contribute to this thread and air their complaints. I would really only be dealing in second hand information. I don't think anybody wants to knock all the hard work and effort that goes in to producing a forum like this. But something is wrong - I am just the messenger.

Anyway, if nothing else at least this thread has generated some activity.:dry:

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10 years 7 months ago #76468 by Frank Ryan
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I've deliberately stayed out of this particular debate for reasons
why I have outlined in another post. (link below)
I'm glad to see this issue finally being debated
but I don't think it's as cut and dried as either Failure or Success.

I see IFAS as a great thing for Irish Astronomy but I also
do see the website as the hub for all the things that IFAS does.
Lets face it,
without the website and forum it would be SOOO difficult to
organise anything between the clubs.

IFAS of course is not just a website but
it's a HUGE tool for all the member clubs and
members of the forum that we need to nurture.

www.irishastronomy.org/component/fireboa...tid=9&id=76460#76460

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10 years 7 months ago #76470 by JohnMurphy
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Frank,
I read your Post with interest and you make some very good suggestions.

If I may home in on the issue relevant to this thread and quote you:

There is a thread going at the moment debating the
'success or failure' of the site and I have stayed out of it.
Not because I dont think John had a point in starting it or
discussing it but I just think that if you post something in
it other than saying 'the IFAS site is brilliant!' then
you are going to be seen as being negative and a complainer.


Here you have summed up what is at the very heart of the problem. People have become reluctant to state their minds for 'fear' of being shot down or ridiculed or being talked down to. Why has this come about? What has allowed this culture to develop? Its not hard to see, in fact we all know why. Some navel gazing is required methinks. Again I ask - please don't shoot the messenger.

Michael - an example of what I'm talking about is illustrated by you a couple of posts up where you turn my own quote on me

And no, I would not consider that behaviour appropriate in business either, but each to their own I guess.

I did not say that that form of behaviour was appropriate anywhere just that I have dealt with it in business, and will continue to deal with it here.

John Murphy - IAS
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10 years 7 months ago #76473 by bertthebudgie
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Hi

I really don't want to get into a row with people on this site as I believe all persons involved here are doing their best to provide the best service they can.

However I for one do not think it is a "web site software issue" at all.

As the astrophotography competition has been mentioned, can someone please comment on this and explain why was this not considered unacceptable at the time?

www.irishastronomy.org/forum?func=view&catid=44&id=65006

Why would anyone want to even post an image on this site never mind enter a competition when they see this is the sort of nonsense that is the result.


Just my 2 cents:)


Regards


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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76474 by michaeloconnell
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The fact that only one person entered the competition?
Could this be why it faded off as people didn't contribute images to it?

If there is demand to bring it back, no problem, it will be back.

Michael.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #76477 by Frank Ryan
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10 years 7 months ago #76480 by JohnMurphy
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Michael,

Can you not see that Dave felt let down, not because he was the only entrant, but because of the manner in which his efforts were rewarded. This is another prime example of my point about the behaviour of some IFAS members on this site.

Can I make a suggestion. If you have not got one already then create a Moderators/Admins policy.
Be careful what you put in it though. I suggest you publish it on this site and allow users to comment on your first draft with suggestions. This policy should be a list of guidelines for how moderators should behave and how and when to post. If you like I'll start to write one for you.

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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #76481 by Frank Ryan
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