The new website - A failure or success.

10 years 7 months ago #76487 by dave_lillis
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Frank, why are your 2 posts empty.

To be honest, to me it looked like the astrophoto competition died out due to lack of submissions..

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10 years 7 months ago #76489 by paulevans
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To be honest, to me it looked like the astrophoto competition died out due to lack of submissions..


Possibly because the qualifications for entry were ramped up? It all points in the same direction - a desire by those in charge to control the board membership.

Well guys, it's Judgement Day - and the verdict is that the controlling approach doesn't work!

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76490 by dave_lillis
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paulevans wrote:

To be honest, to me it looked like the astrophoto competition died out due to lack of submissions..


Possibly because the qualifications for entry were ramped up? It all points in the same direction - a desire by those in charge to control the board membership.


huh?, what qualifications??, I dont know where you are coming from here??, honestly !

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10 years 7 months ago #76491 by phoenix
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I can never remember any images being rubbished on this site but I always respected the fact that this was one of the few forums where people were not afraid to offer constructive critism. This helped me a hell of a lot to improve on my images.

Its a lot better than constantly getting comments like "Superb image mate", "Another great capture" etc especially when the image may have a huge vignetting gradient,a colour bias due to LP or focus issues.

The wealth of knowledge that members of this site have is unsurpassed on any forum I have been on and that will continue despite issues around the sites layout & functions. Its also the only central site which all clubs participate in and should therefore cater equally to all aspects of astonomical intersets.

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10 years 7 months ago #76494 by paulevans
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Wasn't there a stipulation that images had to be taken in the previous month - whatever the weather? A sure way to cut down on contributions.

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10 years 7 months ago #76496 by phoenix
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Wasn't there a stipulation that images had to be taken in the previous month - whatever the weather? A sure way to cut down on contributions.


Emmmmm. It was a monthly competition Paul.

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10 years 7 months ago #76498 by paulevans
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Well yes Kieran, but it was also a themed competition. So then you had to take a photo of Galaxies In January, whatever the weather. One or the other stipulation is fine, but applying both cut down the number of contributions to the extent that they dried up allowing TPTB to quietly forget about the whole thing.

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10 years 7 months ago #76500 by phoenix
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Then make it quarterly and open to any objects apart from clouds :-(

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76501 by Seanie_Morris
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John Murphy wrote:

Personally I think more has been lost than gained, and to this extent while the new site looks cooler, it is in no way better funtionally, it is worse. But hey I would like to know what the gains were, maybe I can use them to compensate for all the shortcomings.


Hi John,
thanks for your posts. The items added were (among other things):

1) An interactive Event Calendar for people to post when they had upcoming events, a section of which is fed from this on the homepage for quick-viewing.

2) A Classifieds section seperate from the forums for anyone to post items for sale in an environment that allowed image attachment and quick-search when requested. By request (I add forlornly), this was then later demolished.

3) The use of Joomla for CMS management by those who could, in real-time, update, add, or take away sections and modules on the site.

4) An Articles section that users could upload to in their own time their own penmanships.

5) a Blog feature for members to write an online diary of club events, musings, observing reports - anything at all.

NONE of the above were on the old site, and only through the move were achieved with this new site. It is not the Web Team's fault nor those of the Administration if users don't partake in their online astronomical community, especially since, through a vocal majority of those on these boards well over a year ago, wanted these additions implemented.

Accuse me of speaking my mind, but some of those that were staunch in wanting these new additions have since rebelled and wanted things changed back or removed.

And, for the record, nearly all the hard work of the 'Web Team' was Darragh, he gets the credit where credit's due in making sure these boards worked as best they could when the transition was made. It was no easy feat to achieve, and took many man hours of free time. Still, we do appreciate your feedback and suggestions

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10 years 7 months ago #76502 by paulevans
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An excellent idea Kieran!

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10 years 7 months ago #76503 by carlobeirnes
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Hi all'

I personally think the traffic has slowed down a lot since the site changed over. Funny thing is I was talking to Frank Ryan Jr about this very thing at the Galway astro fest. I would like to see email notifications back .

>From an Astrophotography point of view a lot of people feel there work is not been taken seriously. We would like a site that is constructive with positive criticism and no 'lovely image well done' despite the fact that it is all green. We are very lucky to have some excellent Astrophotographers on this site like Anto O' Maitis , Kieran Rooney , Dave Grennan, Gary Clarke ,John Murphy, Frank Ryan Jr ,Steve Roche, Michael O' Connell, Dave Gradwell, Sorry if I left anyone out. I am pretty new to Astrophotography myself and I tell you the amount of work that goes into one image is incredible, sometimes days, weeks ,or months just to get one image. And the last thing I want to see is the lads losing interest in posting there images here because I love to see how people are coming on with there images and help them out as much as possible.

Believe it or not a lot of the Astrophotographers feel like giving up on this site. Some of the things that have being said to me is "I've got the impression that IFAS is no longer a site to place images on any more and I think that most of the imagers on the site are of the same frame" What does that tell you.

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10 years 7 months ago #76504 by Seanie_Morris
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phoenix wrote:

Then came the loss of the imaging comp........blamed on weather and lack of interest....

We can blame the weather for everthing and if there is no compition then you can insure no interest.


I got tired of receiving one or two images per month, so I said 'what the hell, let's wait a while and see if it gets requested and/or the weather improves.' I only have 2 PM's in 8 months on record to bring back the Photo Competition. It felt more embaressing than anything else that not enough people were not taking a serious interest when such a large community are present here.

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10 years 7 months ago #76505 by Seanie_Morris
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JohnMurphy wrote:

The number of PMs I have received since I started this thread has been a revelation to me, I didn't realise how much trouble IFAS is in. Previous Admins of the site and people close to IFAS council have confided a lot and you can ignore a single gripe but not when everyone is saying the same thing.


Nothing personal John, but how many is a 'revelation'? Maybe you should be on the Admin team, as I have got squat PM's about the above, and I am an Admin member...


...either that or not many people like me. ;)

It would be great if these closet complainers came out and showed themselves so that communication would be clearer.

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10 years 7 months ago #76507 by phoenix
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Seanie,

Posted four months ago by yourself

Oh it will definitely be coming back alright lads, I'd just prefer (based on feedback before) to try and keep it as current as possible, and not go back in time for the sake of having a couple of pretty pictures to add to a thread.


I think it was the promise that it would be back that stopped the outcry that we now see here.

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10 years 7 months ago #76509 by Seanie_Morris
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DavidBranigan wrote:

As the astrophotography competition has been mentioned, can someone please comment on this and explain why was this not considered unacceptable at the time?

www.irishastronomy.org/forum?func=view&catid=44&id=65006

Why would anyone want to even post an image on this site never mind enter a competition when they see this is the sort of nonsense that is the result.


Hi David,

I just added a little humour into what would have been an otherwise plain post, for which the competition that month had only one entry. What can I say, I'm that kind of guy! :D

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10 years 7 months ago #76510 by Seanie_Morris
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paulevans wrote:

To be honest, to me it looked like the astrophoto competition died out due to lack of submissions..


Possibly because the qualifications for entry were ramped up? It all points in the same direction - a desire by those in charge to control the board membership.

Well guys, it's Judgement Day - and the verdict is that the controlling approach doesn't work!


What the heck Paul! I was the Astrophotography Copetition, no one else wanted to do it, so I did. Had nothing to do with controlling the board's membership.

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10 years 7 months ago #76511 by Seanie_Morris
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phoenix wrote:

Seanie,

Posted four months ago by yourself

Oh it will definitely be coming back alright lads, I'd just prefer (based on feedback before) to try and keep it as current as possible, and not go back in time for the sake of having a couple of pretty pictures to add to a thread.


I think it was the promise that it would be back that stopped the outcry that we now see here.


You've lost me Kieran, in what context is this post in/item relating to?

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10 years 7 months ago #76512 by JohnMurphy
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Getting back on track here.
What do you think about the idea for a Moderators policy/guidelnes.
This is not that unusual and is considered "best practice" the world over.

Here are some examples:
www.gentoo.org/proj/en/forums/forum-guide.xml
chatd.gala.net/10.cgi?t=htm&p1=6&l=en
www.ntu.ac.uk/about_ntu/file_uploads/73499.pdf
www.acountrylife.com/page.php?id=299

Some other things to think about from a legal standpoint are Privacy Policy, and make sure IFAS is a registered Data Controller (I don't see IFAS on the registration list).

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10 years 7 months ago #76514 by phoenix
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Seanie its in the astrophotography competion section of course!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was in response to Frank asking for it to be brought back and supported by other members.

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10 years 7 months ago #76517 by JohnMurphy
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Seanie,

It would be great if these closet complainers came out and showed themselves so that communication would be clearer.


Do you not think that as an Administrator this kind of phrasing can be seen as intimidating and down right disregarding of peoples opinions. So everyone who has a suggestion or does not agree with you or is too afraid to speak up is a "closet complainer"? This is exactly the kind of thing that is causing this site to fail, and why an Admin/Moderators Policy is required.

BTW.- I deleted all my PMs because I felt it may be interfered with. Thats why you didn't find any in there.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76518 by Seanie_Morris
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JohnMurphy wrote:

Seanie,

It would be great if these closet complainers came out and showed themselves so that communication would be clearer.


Do you not think that as an Administrator this kind of phrasing can be seen as intimidating and down right disregarding of peoples opinions. So everyone who has a suggestion or does not agree with you or is too afraid to speak up is a "closet complainer"? This is exactly the kind of thing that is causing this site to fail, and why an Admin/Moderators Policy is required.

BTW.- I deleted all my PMs because I felt it may be interfered with. Thats why you didn't find any in there.


Thanks for the reply John. As you know, I am a pretty outspoken individual. I can speak my mind if it merits it, no matter what the consequences are. Coupled with that is my 'don't give two hoots what people say to me' attitude - which I am quick to add does not make me irresponsible and not act upon something. I just don't give a hoot if someone doesn't like me or something I do or say! Life's too short to have grudges, and I don't keep them. Everyone has their opinions. Who the hell am I to judge?! I give mine.

;)

Seanie.
P.S. the above spoken in the context as an individual and as an Admin - who MUST take flak now and again.

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10 years 7 months ago #76519 by Seanie_Morris
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phoenix wrote:

Seanie its in the astrophotography competion section of course!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was in response to Frank asking for it to be brought back and supported by other members.


Thanks Kieran - was a tad lost because I was between different replies/posts for a bit there!

Fair enough - I will bring it back for the 1st of March, you have my word (you might just remind me via PM the night before!).

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10 years 7 months ago #76520 by phoenix
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(you might just remind me via PM the night before!).

:laugh: :laugh: :P

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #76521 by JohnMurphy
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Seanie,

Thanks for the reply John. As you know, I am a pretty outspoken individual. I can speak my mind if it merits it, no matter what the consequences are. Coupled with that is my 'don't give two hoots what people say to me' attitude - which I am quick to add does not make me irresponsible and not act upon something. I just don't give a hoot if someone doesn't like me or something I do or say! Life's too short to have grudges, and I don't keep them. Everyone has their opinions. Who the hell am I to judge?! I give mine.

Thats fair enough as an individual. But an Admin or Moderator has a responsibility to be careful what they say, not offend people even if it is humourous, and to stop and think before you post.
You have just argued the case that an Admin/Moderator Policy is essential. I don't think I need say more as you are making all my points for me.
Please dont take this personally its not meant that way, I am arguing for the survival of this site, and am trying to offer some suggestions to make it better for all members.

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10 years 7 months ago #76522 by Seanie_Morris
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JohnMurphy wrote:

Thats fair enough as an individual. But an Admin or Moderator has a responsibility to be careful what they say, not offend people even if it is humourous, and to stop and think before you post.
You have just argued the case that an Admin/Moderator Policy is essential. I don't think I need say more as you are making all my points for me.
Please dont take this personally its not meant that way, I am arguing for the survival of this site, and am trying to offer some suggestions to make it better for all members.


Nothing taken personally John!

As an Admin, I do take my replies seriously when needed, although almost all the time I make them as an individual. Usually the tone in a typed message does get through to know if it is done in a funny or otherwise tone.

In terms of a committee-type Admin and an Administrator, there's a line between them. My capacity as an Administrator is soley as a maintainer of this website. Anything that has occured through disgruntled individuals and committee members in the past is different - different in that I may not agree or disagree with decisions or actions taken, but having spoken my own tuppence on a matter and when a majority has spoken, I must stand behind the committee and its actions.

That, I believe, is a matter for a different thread, and one I would prefer to talk in person with anyway, as tones, etc. can get confused over typed characters, if you know what I mean.

Out of curiosity John - and be honest - have you tried or taken an interest in any of the new features added to the site to date?

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